DN 21 Ajahn Brahm and B. Sujato enter a time machine

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frank k
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DN 21 Ajahn Brahm and B. Sujato enter a time machine

Post by frank k » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:08 pm

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... 21-b.html

discussion topic: error correction, contesting thesis with EBT evidence.

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How do we know B. Sujato is wrong?
1. If you read his translation of that passage, it's incoherent. It sounds like it's saying being a dead person or comatose person is much preferable to being alive, because only then would you not be "placing the mind and keeping it connected."
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Re: DN 21 Ajahn Brahm and B. Sujato enter a time machine

Post by DooDoot » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:22 am

frank k wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:08 pm
How do we know B. Sujato is wrong?
Its seems unlikely or at least strange B. Sujato deliberately translated the text in DN 21 as is currently published. The text should be translated similar to as B. Sujato translated MN 19, as follows:
MN 19 wrote:Whatever a mendicant frequently thinks about and considers [ponders; ruminates] becomes their heart’s inclination.

Yaññadeva, bhikkhave, bhikkhu bahulamanuvitakketi anuvicāreti, tathā tathā nati hoti cetaso.

If they often think about and consider sensual thoughts, they’ve given up the thought of renunciation to cultivate sensual thought. Their mind inclines to sensual thoughts.

Kāmavitakkañce, bhikkhave, bhikkhu bahulamanuvitakketi anuvicāreti, pahāsi nekkhammavitakkaṃ, kāmavitakkaṃ bahulamakāsi, tassa taṃ kāmavitakkāya cittaṃ namati.

If they often think about and consider malicious thoughts … their mind inclines to malicious thoughts.

Byāpādavitakkañce, bhikkhave … pe …

If they often think about and consider cruel thoughts … their mind inclines to cruel thoughts.

vihiṃsāvitakkañce, bhikkhave, bhikkhu bahulamanuvitakketi anuvicāreti, pahāsi avihiṃsāvitakkaṃ, vihiṃsāvitakkaṃ bahulamakāsi, tassa taṃ vihiṃsāvitakkāya cittaṃ namati.

https://suttacentral.net/mn19/en/sujato
Since you are a Buddhist with boundless metta for all beings, why don't you contact B. Sujato and point out this matter.

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