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Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by frank k » Thu May 30, 2019 2:53 pm

Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2 ... ooks.html

excerpt:
The premise of the game
You're going blind within one year. After that, the only Dhamma you can carry with you to use at your disposal is what you have memorized within the next 365 days.
You want to organize your memorized Dhamma so it has multiple entry points, and generally a balanced tree so it's easy to navigate, find what you're looking for.


A complete set of Dhamma must contain all of these
appamada
yoniso manasikara
3am = 3 akusala mulani = The Unholy Trinity, also 3 aggi (fire)
4as ☸ = 4 ariya sacca = 4 Noble Truths
4bv ☮️= 4 Brahma vihāras = 4 Divine abidings
4dht = 4 dhātu = 4 elements/properties, rūpa is defined as this. 🌎💩🌊🌀🌪🔥
4dht+ = 4 dhātu+ = some suttas expand 4dht to 5 or 6 elements
4ip 🌕⚡= 4 iddhi-pāda = 4 Power bases
4ipx 🌕⚡= 4 iddhi-pāda (extended formula) = 4ip + some instructions on luminosity, hindrances
4pd = 4 padhāna = 4 exertions (of 37bp), same definition as sammā vāyāmo
4sp = 4 sati-'paṭṭhāna = 4 remembrance establishings. Sati is not a choiceless awareness zombie 🧟.
4j = 4 jhānas 🌕 🔗🔊 Pali: 4 meditations (or absorptions)
4nt ☸ = 4 Noble Truths
5abi = 5 ariya bhavita indriya = Noble one's developed faculties, 5 masteries of perception, ariya iddhi superpower
5bal = 5 bala = 5 powers (of 37bp), functionally equivalent to 5ind (SN 48.43)
5ind = 5 indriya = 5 faculties (of 37bp): See SN 48 for 5ind definitions. AN 8.28 suggests for arahant, he has 5 indriya, while those on first 3 paths, in AN 4.163, they are 5 bala.
5k = 5 khandha = 5 aggregates
5niv = pañca nīvaraṇā = 5 hindrances
5uk = 5 upādāna khandha = 5 clinging aggregates (R) (V) (S) (S) (V)
6ab 🌕⚡☸ = 6 abhiñña = 6 Special Knowledges. 4th jhāna, and then some. 🕴️🌀🌪💪🌶️🔥 | vimt.
6aya = 6 āyatana = 6 sense bases 👁 -- 👂 -- 👃 -- 👅 -- 👄👆 -- 💭
7sb = satta bojjh-aṅga = 7 Awakening-Factors
8aam ☸ = 8 ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo = Noble Eightfold Path
9siv 9 cemetary contemplations 💀 ⚰️ ⚱️ 🧟
12ps = 12 paṭicca sam-uppāda = 12 (links of) Dependent co-origination
12psn = 12 ps, nirodha = cessation of 12 (links of) Dependent co-origination
16 APS 🌬️ 😤, APS 16, APSS 16 = refers to 16 steps of APS
31asb 🧟 = 31 a-subha = 31 un-attractive [body parts]
37bp = 37 bodhi pakkhiya = 37 awakening wings
APS = Ānā-pānā Sati = Inhaling-exhaling Remembering; 😤
APSS = Ānāpānā Sati Samādhi = Inhaling-exhaling Remembering for Undistractable-Lucidity
ASND 🌕🌟 āloka saññaṃ -> ñāṇa das­sana = 🌤 🌣 Luminosity Perception -> knowledge & vision. That is, luminosity, visual light that you see with your eyes closed in meditation is used as the primary object of the samādhi practice. When developed to mastery along with 4j and 4ip, then the 6ab, manifestations of ñāṇa das­sana (Knowledge and Vision), are easily obtainable. Charge up 4th jhana so you got super bright light any time day or night 🕐 -- 🕑 -- 🕒 -- 🕓 -- 🕔 -- 🕕 -- 🕖 -- 🕗 -- 🕘 -- 🕙 -- 🕚 -- 🕛
caṅkama 🚶 : walking meditation, jhana all 4 postures
eating 🍲🍴🥣: proper way of eating
illness & medicine: relevant suttas
marana-s-sati 💀🧟: death remembrance
nirvana
kāya-gatā-sati: body-immersed-remembrance
sleeping: proper way of sleeping


Obviously I'm probably more nerdy than most of you, I do plan to play that game and have a solution within a few days or weeks, but I'd like to see your ideas even if it's just a partial one. Because you all have really neat and creative ideas that I wouldn't have thought of.
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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by binocular » Thu May 30, 2019 3:18 pm

frank k wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:53 pm
The premise of the game
You're going blind within one year. After that, the only Dhamma you can carry with you to use at your disposal is what you have memorized within the next 365 days.
You want to organize your memorized Dhamma so it has multiple entry points, and generally a balanced tree so it's easy to navigate, find what you're looking for.
One can take the Gotami Sutta, AN 8.53. It has a simple enough overview and promises one, if applied, to be able to discern the Dhamma.
With this in memory, you could go blind in a day, and yet, ideally, be supplied with sufficient instruction to attain enlightenment.
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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by Sam Vara » Thu May 30, 2019 3:29 pm

binocular wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 3:18 pm
frank k wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:53 pm
The premise of the game
You're going blind within one year. After that, the only Dhamma you can carry with you to use at your disposal is what you have memorized within the next 365 days.
You want to organize your memorized Dhamma so it has multiple entry points, and generally a balanced tree so it's easy to navigate, find what you're looking for.
One can take the Gotami Sutta, AN 8.53. It has a simple enough overview and promises one, if applied, to be able to discern the Dhamma.
With this in memory, you could go blind in a day, and yet, ideally, be supplied with sufficient instruction to attain enlightenment.
:thumbsup: Good choice.

Mind you, if you suddenly go blind it might be hard to live up to this bit:
being easy to look after, not being hard to look after.

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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by binocular » Thu May 30, 2019 3:38 pm

Sam Vara wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 3:29 pm
Mind you, if you suddenly go blind it might be hard to live up to this bit:
being easy to look after, not being hard to look after.
You might also die tomorrow.
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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by retrofuturist » Thu May 30, 2019 6:03 pm

Greetings,
binocular wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 3:38 pm
Sam Vara wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 3:29 pm
Mind you, if you suddenly go blind it might be hard to live up to this bit:
being easy to look after, not being hard to look after.
You might also die tomorrow.
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Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by cappuccino » Thu May 30, 2019 6:14 pm

this teaching is not a game

you should simplify, find the one thing to practice

a few things are crucial, the rest isn't


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Post by budo » Thu May 30, 2019 7:45 pm

This is what I would try to remember and attend to the most, top 10:

1. 4 noble truths
2. Dependent Origination
3. Anapanasati
4. 5 aggregates
5. 5 hindrances
6. 6 fold sense bases
7. 7 factors of awakening
8. Noble eightfold path
9. Satipathana or Proper Attention
10. 10 drawbacks or Anicca, Dukkha, Anatta in short

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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by Dhammanando » Thu May 30, 2019 8:38 pm

A complete set of Dhamma must contain...
Why do you think that it must contain the five ariya iddhi and the first five of the six abhiññáyo?
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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by DNS » Thu May 30, 2019 9:15 pm

4NT is all you need. The fourth truth includes the path, which includes Right View (Understanding) and the rest of 8FP which includes Samadhi, jhanas, etc.

I like the Buddha's lists too, so if I had to choose another more specific one, it would be the 37 wings or factors of enlightenment.
https://dhammawiki.com/index.php/37_fac ... ightenment

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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by frank k » Fri May 31, 2019 11:47 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:38 pm
A complete set of Dhamma must contain...
Why do you think that it must contain the five ariya iddhi and the first five of the six abhiññáyo?
sure, you could leave out 5 ariya iddhi, but I see it as having an easy tie in. 31asb body parts, and a general quality of "making lemonade out of lemons." That is, whatever perception you have, you can turn it into a powerful tool of insight.

4 of the 6 abhiñña have very concrete important principles that apply to all levels.
the "mind reading" is the same formula used in MN 10 satipatthana citta anupassana.
except in MN 10, it only hints at mind reading with the "internal, external, both".

the seeing of past lives, and the divine eye, even without having that psychic power, is an important insight into the efficacy of kamma.
"evam namo evam gotto evam vanna evam aharo." translated "Been there, done that!" again and again. Even for just a one life frame, that's a feeling we all know but then forget (opposite of sati) and then do the same stupid things again and again.
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Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri May 31, 2019 11:57 am

Too much thinking is bad for you. Just memorize one verse.

“Blind is this world. Few are those who see clearly.
As birds escape from a net, few go to a blissful state.” (Dhp v 174)

Contemplate on the inevitability of death, and the uncertainty of life to remove attachment.
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Re: Let's play a game: Russian doll, ditch the books, cel phone, paper and pencil

Post by frank k » Fri May 31, 2019 12:02 pm

Let me clarify something. The point isn't to just come up with a laundry list of what you think the most important Dhamma items are.

The point is, you're going to be blind and deaf, you can't read books, and listen to dhamma talks.
Once you've memorized what you consider the important Dhamma items,
it's the connections, the mental triggers, the synapses for the nerve cells in the brain memory that we're interested in.
You want to arrange the important Dhamma in your mental mind map that you can easily access whatever is relevant at any moment of your practice.
If you just do a rote laundry list memorized like a book, you're not going to be able to remember what you memorized and be able to access and use it when you need it in the moment.

I'll submit my example in the next week or two, so you'll get a better idea of what I mean.

This is a game, but it's not a game for me, it's what I'm actually doing. I recite 30-60 min everyday of memorized pali, and I'm constantly looking for more synapses and ways to connect all the dots to all the pieces of dhamma. Not just to make a better mental map, but because it leads to a clearer and deeper understanding. This is a feature of the oral tradition.

Here's a simpler version of the game, you'll get a better idea of what I mean about the synapses and making a mental memory map.
The essential list we want to build out contains just the 37bp, the 7 sets, the 37 factors that are wings to awakening. Only rule, your first doll can't be 37bp (the whole set). Your starting point can be any one of the 7 sets, or a single word like "buddho", that would lead to any of the other 7 sets.

So for example:
1. Buddho
2. 4NT: (tie in with pali quote) since one who sees the buddha sees the dhamma, and the 4nt are the sum of the dhamma.
3. 8aam: (synapse link) the 4th noble truth is the noble eightfold path

You'll find that some of the 7 sets in the 37bp don't have an immediately obvious tie in. And that's the part of the fun, and the challenge of this 'game'. To find many ways to make those connections. The reward is when it's time to apply them in life, you can, because you've already anticipated what situations and relevance it has to all your activities. A linear rote memorization is like carrying a book around with you all the time, that you have access to it, but each time you encounter a problem in life, you have to flip through the book and search for an answer.
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Post by frank k » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:55 pm

This is my first attempt, not a complete submission yet.

First doll: appamada -assiduity.
The last words of the Buddha: "vaya Dhamma sankhara: appamadena sampadetha"ti ayam tathagatassa pacchima vaca."
"co-doings [and their products] vanishing are the natural law of Dhamma. appamada/Assiduously you must complete your task."
appamada is the simile of the elephants footprint, the foremost thing that all other kusala qualities fit under (with their smaller footprint).

2nd generation of dolls:
yoniso manasikara, like appamada, has been described as the leading cause, the boss, that leads to all other kusala/skillful Dhammas.

3rd generation of dolls:
yoniso manasikara, and a-yoniso manasikara, their default object of attention is respectively the 7sb awakening factors, and 5 hindrances.

4th gen:
1. 5 hindrances is used in a simile of 5 rivers that diverge from one mighty river (of samadhi).

5th gen:
another simile of rivers, there's a single river that has an island in the middle. So that part of the river bounded by the island, appears to have two rivers. Those two rivers, are 5bala/powers, and 5ind/faculties, and are actually one and the same river.

6th gen:
samadhi appears in the 5bal, 5ind, 7sb. Where's another place samadhi occurs? Just as we have 5 fingers and two hands, that represents 5bal and 5ind (no sutta that says that AFAIK, I just noticed that). The Buddha, in the simile of the raft, says we should use both of our hands to build a raft, to cross the ocean of dukkha and reach the island of nibbana. The 8aam is the raft, built by the labor of our two hands 5bal and 5ind.

Is there another place samadhi occurs?

Here's a 4x4 matrix to find the missing piece.
4pd padhana/exertion, another set in the 37bp, is equivalent to viriya in 5bal and 5ind, 7sb->viriya-sb, and right effort in 8aam.
by means of 4pd, we purify the 4th jhana to make it imperturbable, to realize the 4 noble truths (arahantship).
4 x 4 x 4
The Buddha has a pericope to describe that. The 4ip iddhi-pada power-bases.

4ip = 4pd x 4j x 4nt
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