Origination of feelings

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santa100 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:08 am
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thomaslaw wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:09 am No. :jumping:
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When you divorce dependent origination from a "one-life only" approach, you free yourself to see how links can act as supporting condition for other links, regardless of order. For example, without birth as a being, how could there be any experience at all? Yet birth is the 11th of 12 links with the 12th being aging and death.
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santa100 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:11 am
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Can one first get the meaning of feeling ?

Physical = sensation (painful such as poking by needle)
Psychological = emotion (sad such as losing loved one)

Mental refers to anything that is a function of the mind which is cognition and intellect .

If we were to regard both physical sensation and psychological emotion as identical then perhaps
The Mind become the Knower of the feeling of sensation and emotion as well .
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James Tan wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:47 pm Can one first get the meaning of feeling ?

Physical = sensation (painful such as poking by needle)
Psychological = emotion (sad such as losing loved one)

Mental refers to anything that is a function of the mind which is cognition and intellect .

If we were to regard both physical sensation and psychological emotion as identical then perhaps
The Mind become the Knower of the feeling of sensation and emotion as well .
According to the Vedana Samyutta (such as SN 36.23-25), 'contact' (phassa) is a condition for the arising of 'three' feelings (i.e. bodily feeling 'kayika vedana': unpleasant feeling, pleasant feeling, and neutral feeling), and 'craving' (tanha) is the way leading to the arising of feeling (i.e. mental feeling 'cetasika vedana': repulsion, desire, and ignorance) (SN 36.6). (cf. pp. 110, 117-118, n. 40, in The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, by Choong Mun-keat).

'Contact' (phassa) refers to the 'coming together' (sangati) of the six sense-faculties, the six external objects, and the corresponding consciousnesses.

So, bodily/physical feeling 'kayika vedana' and mental feeling 'cetasika vedana' are clearly not the same, but they are all connected with the mind (a conditioned phenomenon).
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thomaslaw wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:16 am
James Tan wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:47 pm Can one first get the meaning of feeling ?

Physical = sensation (painful such as poking by needle)
Psychological = emotion (sad such as losing loved one)

Mental refers to anything that is a function of the mind which is cognition and intellect .

If we were to regard both physical sensation and psychological emotion as identical then perhaps
The Mind become the Knower of the feeling of sensation and emotion as well .
According to the Vedana Samyutta (such as SN 36.23-25), 'contact' (phassa) is a condition for the arising of 'three' feelings (i.e. bodily feeling 'kayika vedana': unpleasant feeling, pleasant feeling, and neutral feeling), and 'craving' (tanha) is the way leading to the arising of feeling (i.e. mental feeling 'cetasika vedana': repulsion, desire, and ignorance) (SN 36.6). (cf. pp. 110, 117-118, n. 40, in The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, by Choong Mun-keat).

'Contact' (phassa) refers to the 'coming together' (sangati) of the six sense-faculties, the six external objects, and the corresponding consciousnesses.

So, bodily/physical feeling 'kayika vedana' and mental feeling 'cetasika vedana' are clearly not the same, but they are all connected with the mind (a conditioned phenomenon).
Also, I think the mental feeling 'cetasika vedana' can be regarded as negative emotion.
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