Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

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DarrenM
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Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

Post by DarrenM » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:05 pm

Are there any books or studies recommended for the oldest Pali Canon Suttas or Vaggas?

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Idappaccayata
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Re: Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

Post by Idappaccayata » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:17 pm

Gil fronsdal has a book called "the Buddha before Buddhism" that's about the book of eights, which is considered to be one of the earliest suttas.
The furniture may be exquisite,
And the bars of solid gold,
But once the bird realizes that the cage is a cage,
It finds within that cage
No joy

- Ajahn Jayasaro

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Re: Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

Post by thomaslaw » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:11 am

DarrenM wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:05 pm
Are there any books or studies recommended for the oldest Pali Canon Suttas or Vaggas?
Yes, the following book, according to the scholar monk, Yin Shun, regards the Sutra/Sutta-anga portion of the Samyukta-Agama/Samyutta-Nikaya for the oldest early Buddhist texts:

Choong Mun-keat. 2000. The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism: A Comparative Study Based on the Sutra-anga portion of the Pali Samyutta-Nikaya and the Chinese Samyuktagama (Series: Beitrage zur Indologie Band 32; Harrassowitz Verlag, Wiesbaden).

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Re: Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

Post by Volovsky » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:43 am

Bhikkhu Sujato in his "History of mindfulness" presents his views on this point.

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Re: Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

Post by StormBorn » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:48 am

Below two articles might also contribute to improve your knowledge on this topic. :smile:

Chronology of the Pali Canon by Prof. Bimala Churn Law

Sri Lanka's Contribution to the Development of the Pali Canon by Prof. Oliver Abeynayake
“Greater in battle than the man who would conquer a thousand-thousand men, is he who would conquer just one—himself.”

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Re: Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

Post by DarrenM » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:45 am

Great, Thankyou all for your replies. :smile:

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Re: Oldest Suttas or Vaggas

Post by thang » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:42 pm

Be very careful about the EBT analisis of modern scholars.

Bhikkhuni supporting monks may try to prove that the passages about additional rules on bhikkhunis are inauthentic.
Anti-Vipassana monks may try to prove that the passages about vipassana are inauthentic.
Political missionary monks may try to prove that the passages about non-political behavior are inauthentic.

Many scholars have their biases and views.
"Bhikkhus, whatever the Tathāgata speaks, utters, or expounds
in the interval between
the night when he awakens to the unsurpassed perfect enlightenment
and the night when he attains final nibbāna,
all that is just so and not otherwise"
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