About paññatti 'concept'

[DooDoot]

Seeing and knowing 'anicca, dukkha, anatta' in the SN suttas, for e.g., is indicated as yathaabhuuta.m 'things as they really are' (dhammas), not as paramattha 'ultimate reality' (dhammas).

When the Anapanasati Sutta refers to seeing Dhamma (steps 13 to 16), it refers to:

13. Impermanence (unsatisfactoriness & not-self)

14. Viraga (dispassion)

15. Nirodha (extinguishment of defilements - Nibbana)

16. Relinquishing (all selfing)

These are not mere "things". These are Higher Truth.

khandhas, ... rittaka 'without reality' (dhammas).

The above does not appear to be the meaning of "ritta" and "rittaka". The idea of "reality" appears too vague above. "Ritta" generically means "devoid", such as in:

Rid of sensual pleasures, expecting nothing,

Kāmehi ritto apurakkharāno,

https://suttacentral.net/sn22.3/en/sujato

In the Phena Sutta, "ritta" is used to describe how the five aggregates are devoid of any substance, meaning & intrinsic worth. That the five aggregates are devoid of substance is their "reality" therefore I think using the term "without reality" is too vague and confusing.

It is empty (void) of both, existence and non-existence, which are based on self-attachment.

The above, which sounds like "sunnata", appears to be another generalisation. I would suggest to try to be more accurate or specific with these Pali terms. I doubt "rittaka" is the exactly the same as "sunnata".

[thomaslaw]

Seeing and knowing 'anicca, dukkha, anatta' in the SN suttas, for e.g., is indicated as yathaabhuuta.m 'things as they really are' (dhammas), not as paramattha 'ultimate reality' (dhammas).

When the Anapanasati Sutta refers to seeing Dhamma (steps 13 to 16), it refers to:

13. Impermanence (unsatisfactoriness & not-self)

14. Viraga (dispassion)

15. Nirodha (extinguishment of defilements - Nibbana)

16. Relinquishing (all selfing)

These are not mere "things". These are Higher Truth.

khandhas, ... rittaka 'without reality' (dhammas).

The above does not appear to be the meaning of "ritta" and "rittaka". The idea of "reality" appears too vague above. "Ritta" generically means "devoid", such as in:

Rid of sensual pleasures, expecting nothing,

Kāmehi ritto apurakkharāno,

https://suttacentral.net/sn22.3/en/sujato

In the Phena Sutta, "ritta" is used to describe how the five aggregates are devoid of any substance, meaning & intrinsic worth. That the five aggregates are devoid of substance is their "reality" therefore I think using the term "without reality" is too vague and confusing.

It is empty (void) of both, existence and non-existence, which are based on self-attachment.

The above, which sounds like "sunnata", appears to be another generalisation. I would suggest to try to be more accurate or specific with these Pali terms. I doubt "rittaka" is the exactly the same as "sunnata".

The terms, rittaka and sunnata, are an adjective, indicated in SN 22.95, and SN 35.197. That simply means 'empty'. So, it is empty (void) of both, existence and non-existence, which are based on self-attachment, following the middle way teachings indicated in SN 12.15.

[DooDoot]

The terms, rittaka and sunnata, are an adjective, indicated in SN 22.95, and SN 35.197. That simply means 'empty'. So, it is empty (void) of both, existence and non-existence, which are based on self-attachment, following the middle way teachings indicated in SN 12.15.

"Sunnata" appears used in a specific way in the suttas (and not related to the Mahayana obsession with SN 12.15):

"And what is the emptiness awareness-release? There is the case where a monk, having gone into the wilderness, to the root of a tree, or into an empty dwelling, considers this: 'This is empty of self or of anything pertaining to self.' This is called the emptiness awareness-release.

MN 43

Insofar as it is empty of a self or of anything pertaining to a self: Thus it is said, Ananda, that the world is empty.

SN 35.85

"Rittaka" appears not used in the special way above; even though both "ritta" and "sunna" have a generic & similar meaning.

[thomaslaw]

The terms, rittaka and sunnata, are an adjective, indicated in SN 22.95, and SN 35.197. That simply means 'empty'. So, it is empty (void) of both, existence and non-existence, which are based on self-attachment, following the middle way teachings indicated in SN 12.15.

"Sunnata" appears used in a specific way in the suttas (and not related to the Mahayana obsession with SN 12.15):

"And what is the emptiness awareness-release? There is the case where a monk, having gone into the wilderness, to the root of a tree, or into an empty dwelling, considers this: 'This is empty of self or of anything pertaining to self.' This is called the emptiness awareness-release.

MN 43

Insofar as it is empty of a self or of anything pertaining to a self: Thus it is said, Ananda, that the world is empty.

SN 35.85

"Rittaka" appears not used in the special way above; even though both "ritta" and "sunna" have a generic & similar meaning.

It does not suggest the world is (or the sense spheres are) paramattha "ultimate reality". The world is empty, without reality, of a self.