Dhammas

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Re: Dhammas

Post by santa100 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:20 pm

The continuum of the Aggregates life after life after life.

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Re: Dhammas

Post by anthbrown84 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:56 pm

Is this concept the same as the mahyana view on emptiness?
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Re: Dhammas

Post by thomaslaw » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:23 am

anthbrown84 wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:56 pm
Is this concept the same as the mahyana view on emptiness?
What is 'this concept'?

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Re: Dhammas

Post by aflatun » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:02 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:06 am
Hi

Dhammas (conditioned phenomena), e.g. khandhas, Ayatanas, not only should be seen as they really are as anicca (impermanent), dukkha (suffering), anatta (not-self), but also should be seen as they really are as rittaka (void, without reality), as tucchaka (insubstantial), as asaaraka (lacking essence), and as su~n~naka (empty), according to SN 22.95 and SN 35.197 (See Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, pp. 53-54, 92).

It seems that Dhammas are in fact not real, without reality! :meditate:

Thomas
Thanks for this awesome reference thomaslaw
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

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MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: Dhammas

Post by Coëmgenu » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:46 am

anthbrown84 wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:56 pm
Is this concept the same as the mahyana view on emptiness?
Yes. If you refer to the aggregates and spheres, etc, being unsubstantial and unreal.
世尊在靈山會上拈華示眾眾皆默然唯迦葉破顏微笑世尊云
The Lord dwelt at the Vulture Peak with the assembly and plucked a flower as a teaching. The myriad totality were silent, save for Kāśyapa, whose face cracked in a faint smile. The Lord spoke.
吾有正法眼藏涅槃妙心實相無相微妙法門不立文字教外別傳付囑摩訶迦葉。
I have the treasure of the true dharma eye, I have nirvāṇa as wondrous citta, I know signless dharmatā, the subtle dharma-gate, which is not standing on written word, which is external to scriptures, which is a special dispensation, which is entrusted to Mahākāśyapa.

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Re: Dhammas

Post by thomaslaw » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:28 am

aflatun wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:02 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:06 am
Hi

Dhammas (conditioned phenomena), e.g. khandhas, Ayatanas, not only should be seen as they really are as anicca (impermanent), dukkha (suffering), anatta (not-self), but also should be seen as they really are as rittaka (void, without reality), as tucchaka (insubstantial), as asaaraka (lacking essence), and as su~n~naka (empty), according to SN 22.95 and SN 35.197 (See Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, pp. 53-54, 92).

It seems that Dhammas are in fact not real, without reality! :meditate:

Thomas
Thanks for this awesome reference thomaslaw
So, can we consider: The Buddha in fact did not teach '' 'ultimate reality' (paramattha) with their own characteristics''? The term paramattha seems not found in the suttas?

Thomas

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Re: Dhammas

Post by Saengnapha » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:28 am
aflatun wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:02 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:06 am
Hi

Dhammas (conditioned phenomena), e.g. khandhas, Ayatanas, not only should be seen as they really are as anicca (impermanent), dukkha (suffering), anatta (not-self), but also should be seen as they really are as rittaka (void, without reality), as tucchaka (insubstantial), as asaaraka (lacking essence), and as su~n~naka (empty), according to SN 22.95 and SN 35.197 (See Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, pp. 53-54, 92).

It seems that Dhammas are in fact not real, without reality! :meditate:

Thomas
Thanks for this awesome reference thomaslaw
So, can we consider: The Buddha in fact did not teach '' 'ultimate reality' (paramattha) with their own characteristics''? The term paramattha seems not found in the suttas?

Thomas
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Re: Dhammas

Post by Dinsdale » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:01 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:28 am
aflatun wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:02 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:06 am
Hi

Dhammas (conditioned phenomena), e.g. khandhas, Ayatanas, not only should be seen as they really are as anicca (impermanent), dukkha (suffering), anatta (not-self), but also should be seen as they really are as rittaka (void, without reality), as tucchaka (insubstantial), as asaaraka (lacking essence), and as su~n~naka (empty), according to SN 22.95 and SN 35.197 (See Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, pp. 53-54, 92).

It seems that Dhammas are in fact not real, without reality! :meditate:

Thomas
Thanks for this awesome reference thomaslaw
So, can we consider: The Buddha in fact did not teach '' 'ultimate reality' (paramattha) with their own characteristics''? The term paramattha seems not found in the suttas?

Thomas
So is this wrong then?
https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/paramattha-dhamma
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Re: Dhammas

Post by Saengnapha » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:01 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:01 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:28 am
aflatun wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:02 am


Thanks for this awesome reference thomaslaw
So, can we consider: The Buddha in fact did not teach '' 'ultimate reality' (paramattha) with their own characteristics''? The term paramattha seems not found in the suttas?

Thomas
So is this wrong then?
https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/paramattha-dhamma
These are abhidhamma explanations, not sutta citations.

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