Nibbana and nihilism

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by equilibrium » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:17 pm

MN22:.....
“There can be, monk,” said the Blessed One. "In that case, monk, someone does not have this view: ‘The universe is the Self… eternally the same shall I abide in that very condition.’ He then hears a Perfect One expounding the Teaching for the removal of all grounds for views, of all prejudices, obsessions, dogmas and biases; for the stilling of all (kamma-) processes, for the relinquishing of all substrata (of existence), for the extirpation of craving, for dispassion, cessation, Nibbaana.
He then does not think:
‘I shall be annihilated, I shall be destroyed! No longer shall I exist!’ Hence he does not grieve, is not depressed, does not lament; he does not beat his breast nor does he weep, and no dejection befalls him. Thus, monk, is there absence of anxiety about unrealities, in the internal.

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by cappuccino » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:18 pm

the Everlasting, (Dhuva)
the Undisintegrating, (Apalokita)

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:30 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:18 pm
the Everlasting, (Dhuva)
the Undisintegrating, (Apalokita)
The way you post it is not at all clear to me what the heck you are talking about and this goes for most of your posts on the matter.
How about you make a coherent statement of more than 10 words about nibbana, in your own words and as you understand it.
Because if you are not willing to do that or willing to be questioned on the matter i think it you should avoid categorically calling Slander.
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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by cappuccino » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:34 pm

I'm saying Nirvana is Everlasting

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:38 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:34 pm
I'm saying Nirvana is Everlasting
what exactly do you mean by everlasting then? saying lasts forever here is not acceptable answer of course...
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He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
Parallel Dhammapada Reading

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by cappuccino » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:40 pm

Nirvana itself is everlasting.

Nirvana, similar to God, requires faith that it exists, requires faith, requires faith.

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:43 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:40 pm
Nirvana itself is everlasting.

Nirvana, similar to God, requires faith that it exists, requires faith, requires faith.
I am not out to break ur balls here but you are not answering direct legitimate questions:
What exactly do you mean by everlasting?
He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
Parallel Dhammapada Reading

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by cappuccino » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:45 pm

ev·er·last·ing
adjective
1.
lasting forever or for a very long time.
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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:47 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:45 pm
ev·er·last·ing
adjective
1.
lasting forever or for a very long time.
so you are defining the word with the word it self.

It is like saying applejuice is juice made of apples... This answers NOTHING in regards to what is juice and what is an apple, i am sure there is some word for this kind of reasoning.
lasting forever or for a very long time.
Furthermore by your own definition here it is both finite or infite, so you are also contradicting yourself.
He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by cappuccino » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:51 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:47 pm
i am sure there is some word for this kind of reasoning.
it's called language

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:53 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:51 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:47 pm
i am sure there is some word for this kind of reasoning.
it's called language
it is called avoiding questions man. I asked you what exactly do you mean by everlasting, you tell me it lasts for ever. That is not an answer to my question. This is not called answering a question.
He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
Parallel Dhammapada Reading

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by cappuccino » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:54 pm

you don't like the answer, it's nonetheless the answer

Nirvana is forever

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:59 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:54 pm
you don't like the answer, it's nonetheless the answer

Nirvana is forever
it is not an answer man, you did not even paraphase, you just took short form of "forever" which is "ever" and replaced the short form with original form, making no change but claiming that "everlasting" is defined by "lasts forever" this is not true in the world, you will be laughed at in any country for this, this is established in the world as not a proper definition nor an explaination for sure.
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He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
Parallel Dhammapada Reading

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:01 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:40 pm
Nirvana, similar to God, requires faith that it exists, requires faith, requires faith.[/i]
and this is complete heresy and nonsense.
He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
Parallel Dhammapada Reading

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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

Post by cappuccino » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:02 pm

faith isn't heresy, it's a spiritual faculty

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... el065.html
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