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mudra/mudda

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:39 am

is there support for mudras in early buddhism, you know the hand gestures that are on buddha statues like vitarka mudra where he is having a discourse or hands folded in lap or one raised palm
to me personally i believe they are real because i find myself naturally doing them; they're very specific. but that's me just would like to know if there is anything in early sutta or vinaya
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Post by dylanj » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:08 am

:shrug:
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: mudra/mudda

Post by Kim OHara » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:50 pm

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:39 am
is there support for mudras in early buddhism, you know the hand gestures that are on buddha statues like vitarka mudra where he is having a discourse or hands folded in lap or one raised palm
to me personally i believe they are real because i find myself naturally doing them; they're very specific
Some of them are stylisations of natural gestures of welcome, etc, common across all cultures. That's one reason they may feel natural and specific.
Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:39 am
would like to know if there is anything in early sutta or vinaya
I can't recall anything in scriptures, but that's not where I would look, anyway, because I think they are more likely to show up in pictures and statuary. I know they appear in Gandharan art which dates back to the first century BCE. I don't know about anything earlier than that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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Post by SarathW » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:28 am

I wonder whether earth witness symbol is coming from EBT.

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Post by SarathW » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:35 am

Buddha's hand guetures
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Post by dylanj » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:07 pm

añjali
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: mudra/mudda

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:06 am

yes
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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Re: mudra/mudda

Post by LG2V » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:42 pm

I think that they're real as well. I don't recall having read much about them in the pali canon, though. It seems to be more heavily focused on in Hindu practices.
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Re: mudra/mudda

Post by Coëmgenu » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:21 pm

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:39 am
is there support for mudras in early buddhism, you know the hand gestures that are on buddha statues like vitarka mudra where he is having a discourse or hands folded in lap or one raised palm
to me personally i believe they are real because i find myself naturally doing them; they're very specific. but that's me just would like to know if there is anything in early sutta or vinaya
Mudras, AFAIK, belong to and originate in Buddhist esoterica. As opposed to the literature this subforum specializes in.

I think the Dharmaguptaka Dīrghāgama might have some very old/seminal examples of dhāraṇī, though. Related in that they are both associated with esotericism, but not mudras.
世尊在靈山會上拈華示眾眾皆默然唯迦葉破顏微笑世尊云
The Lord dwelt at the Vulture Peak with the assembly and plucked a flower as a teaching. The myriad totality were silent, save for Kāśyapa, whose face cracked in a faint smile. The Lord spoke.

吾有正法眼藏涅槃妙心實相無相微妙法門不立文字教外別傳付囑摩訶迦葉。
I have the treasure of the true dharma eye, I have nirvāṇa as wondrous citta, I know signless dharmatā, the subtle dharma-gate, which is not standing on written word, which is external to scriptures, which is a special dispensation, which is entrusted to Mahākāśyapa.

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Re: mudra/mudda

Post by 2600htz » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:03 pm

Hello:

Mudras in buddha statues usually are a symbol for the 4 noble truths (depending on what finger is it touching).
Someone experiencing the noble truth of the cessation of suffering might have a tendency to touch with his thumb the third finger, but its not like its some kind of practice or something to be developed.

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