First Jhāna Vitakka in Early Buddhism

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First Jhāna Vitakka in Early Buddhism

Post by Stillness » Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:19 pm

In the context of first jhāna, vitakka does not refer to concep­tual thought would also have been the understanding of the translator(s) of the Madhyama-āgama, as they instead speak of "awareness", a rendering found also in other Āgama discourses. For example, MĀ 102 at T I 589c9 uses 覺 in the context of jhāna but in the same line 念 to refer to "thoughts", both occurrences being parallels to the use of vitakka in MN 19 at MN I 116,35 and 117,7.

The use of different renderings does convey the impression that the translator(s) were aware of the difference between these two types of vitakka and endeavoured to render them in such a way that they would not be con­fused with each other. Also, the translators seem to ex­press their understanding of its practi­cal im­pli­ca­tions. This would fit with an interpretation of the jhāna factor vitakka as conveying the idea of an application of the mind, in the sense of a directing of the mind that can take place in rather subtle ways.

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Re: First Jhāna Vitakka in Early Buddhism

Post by Cittasanto » Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:38 pm

Hi Stillness
the Chinese doesn't show properly could you upload a image file of the characters? (just below submit button there is an attachments tab).

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Re: First Jhāna Vitakka in Early Buddhism

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:10 pm

They should display if you set your browser to Unicode-8 encoding and your font settings to a Unicode font that includes Chinese characters.

Anyhow, they are...
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Re: First Jhāna Vitakka in Early Buddhism

Post by Cittasanto » Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:11 pm

Dhammanando wrote:They should display if you set your browser to Unicode-8 encoding and your font settings to a Unicode font that includes Chinese characters.

Anyhow, they are...
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Thanks Bhante,
Got it sorted

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