vinasp wrote: What do we know?
That sakkaya-ditthi certainly is some views of self.
The question is: is it only some or is it all views of self?
vinasp wrote:Hi coyote,
Quote: All views of self have been given up by the stream-enterer.
This is what I am questioning here. Where in the sutta pitaka does it actually say this?
Kind regards, Vincent.
Coyote wrote:SN 22.89 states that the "I am" conceit is not a view of self, because sakaya-ditthi (view of self, one of the fetters mentioned numerous times) has been given up by the noble disciple
bharadwaja wrote:Coyote wrote:SN 22.89 states that the "I am" conceit is not a view of self, because sakaya-ditthi (view of self, one of the fetters mentioned numerous times) has been given up by the noble disciple
Sakkāya diṭṭhi is not a "view of the self", whatever that is supposed to mean.
Sakkāya diṭṭhi means 'pre-conceived notion' (Sakkāya literally means something "already existing"). But there is another word Sakāya which means "own"
vinasp wrote:This is what I see in these passages :
a) Regarding things as self causes craving, clinging and suffering.
If that regarding becomes habitual then it becomes a view.
b)The view of self is the origin or source of craving, clinging and suffering.
c)Removing the view of self removes craving, clinging and suffering.
Coyote wrote:And what does this mean, in regard to the Buddha's teaching? What does it mean to cut the fetter of sakkaya-ditthi?
vinasp wrote:The question seems to be: does "regarding" necessarily imply a "view"?
Or perhaps: Are "regarding" and a "view" just two ways of talking about the
vinasp wrote:Hi everyone,
From the Sutta Nipata [PTS - K.R.Norman. 1985 p.181] - Sn 1119
View the world as empty, Mogharaja, always being mindful.
Destroying the view that there is a self, one may thus cross over death.
The king of death does not see one who has such a view of the world.
View the world as void, Mogharaja, always being mindful.
Removing the view of self, thus one would go beyond death.
A person viewing the world in this way, the king of death sees him not.
Where is it ever said that the stream-winner has crossed over death?
Removing the view of self clearly achieves much more than stream-winning.
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