Origination of feelings
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Re: Origination of feelings
OK, I read in the majjhima nikāya that sensual pleasures cause sensual pleasures. In grasping at pleasant feeling, the untrained worldly person seeks delight in pleasant feeling and, as a result, suffers painful feeling. In feeling painful feeling, he chases again pleasant feeling. That's what is sinister about this cycle -- look at heroin addicts, they will end up on the street infested with sores, willing to cause themselves harm in order to get what they feel will bring an end to their pain, but it's only temporary. All pleasant feeling simply stimulates the aggregates, which are not self. When you see the roots of dependent origination, you come into realizing that what you're feeding is craving, that it's this alien thing, foreign. When you completely deprive it it decays and it withers away.
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Re: Origination of feelings
The bodily/physical feeling 'kayika vedana' should be fine and healthy for a physically heathy person, but here the mental feeling 'cetasika vedana' becomes a mental health issue.salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:54 am OK, I read in the majjhima nikāya that sensual pleasures cause sensual pleasures. In grasping at pleasant feeling, the untrained worldly person seeks delight in pleasant feeling and, as a result, suffers painful feeling. In feeling painful feeling, he chases again pleasant feeling. That's what is sinister about this cycle -- look at heroin addicts, they will end up on the street infested with sores, willing to cause themselves harm in order to get what they feel will bring an end to their pain, but it's only temporary. All pleasant feeling simply stimulates the aggregates, which are not self. When you see the roots of dependent origination, you come into realizing that what you're feeding is craving, that it's this alien thing, foreign. When you completely deprive it it decays and it withers away.
Re: Origination of feelings
The negative emotion here refers to 'desire hatred delusion', which are arisen by craving 'tanha', leading to the arising of mental suffering 'dukkha'. For the ending of this mental suffering, it requires one to know 'jaanaati' and to see 'passati' things as they really are 'yathaabhuuta.m', according to the SN/SA suttas (cf. pp. 34-5, 52-6, Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, Choong Mun-keat).
Re: Origination of feelings
Thanks Mkoll, that makes sense to me. Looking solely from a one life interpretation it would not make much sense I suppose.Mkoll wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:11 am When you divorce dependent origination from a "one-life only" approach, you free yourself to see how links can act as supporting condition for other links, regardless of order. For example, without birth as a being, how could there be any experience at all? Yet birth is the 11th of 12 links with the 12th being aging and death.
“Householder, you have provided the community of monks with robes, alms food, lodgings, & medicinal requisites for the sick, but you shouldn’t rest content with the thought, ‘We have provided the community of monks with robes, alms food, lodgings, & medicinal requisites for the sick.’ So you should train yourself, ‘Let’s periodically enter & remain in seclusion & rapture.’ That’s how you should train yourself.”
AN 5.176- Rapture
AN 5.176- Rapture
Re: Origination of feelings
But it seems to me the birth in the 11th of 12 links does not suggest 'more than one life'. Also, the term samsara is not found in the 12 links. So, I consider it is better to focus on 'dukkha' rather than samsara in the 12 links.DarrenM wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:12 pmThanks Mkoll, that makes sense to me. Looking solely from a one life interpretation it would not make much sense I suppose.Mkoll wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:11 am When you divorce dependent origination from a "one-life only" approach, you free yourself to see how links can act as supporting condition for other links, regardless of order. For example, without birth as a being, how could there be any experience at all? Yet birth is the 11th of 12 links with the 12th being aging and death.
Re: Origination of feelings
Santa, if you think this is frustrating, try getting him to read a footnote:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=30866&hilit=Choong ... 15#p452581
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Re: Origination of feelings
This message should not be posted here for the subject? Do you mean you are "frustrating"
