Very interesting Sutta.
Have we discussed this before?
The basic teaching is that Jhana is not very important for eliminating defilements.
The question is how Vipassana fitting to this?
Vipassana seems not considered Jhana.
Is there another word for effacement?
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MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
Here is a previous discussion: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta viewtopic.php?t=1688
However, feel free to point out what you find particularly interesting about it.
Mike
However, feel free to point out what you find particularly interesting about it.
Mike
Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
According to this Sutta, the main purpose of Jhana is for the pleasant abiding here and now.feel free to point out what you find particularly interesting about it.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
According to SN 12.70 (and its counterpart SA 347), the Buddha teaches about two kinds of knowledge (nana): dhammatthiti nana (knowledge of dhamma-status) and nibbane nana (knowledge of nibbana). According to the sutta, some elder monks have attained 'liberation', which is panna vimutta (the wisdom-liberated), having the dhammatthiti nana, but without psychic powers (abhinna) and the calmed emancipations (santa vimokkha). The 'calmed emancipations' could include Jhana. That means, the panna vimutta (or the wisdom-liberated one) only needs to have the knowledge of anicca, dukkha, anatta, and conditioned arising and ceasing (nidana) for eliminating defilements (cf. Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, pp. 201-202)SarathW wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:43 pm Very interesting Sutta.
Have we discussed this before?
The basic teaching is that Jhana is not very important for eliminating defilements.
The question is how Vipassana fitting to this?
Vipassana seems not considered Jhana.
Is there another word for effacement?
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .nypo.html
Thomas
Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
This book is the English translation of a series of talks which the Venerable Mahāsī Sayādaw gave on Sallekha sutta during the years 1969-70.
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https://static.sirimangalo.org/mahasi/S ... 0Sutta.htm
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
There're various purposes for the Jhanas, and pleasant abiding is only one among them (ie: attaining supernormal powers, rebirth in higher realms, developing insight toward total liberation, etc.). Ven Bodhi's note further explains:SarathW wrote:According to this Sutta, the main purpose of Jhana is for the pleasant abiding here and now.
the eight meditative attainments(MN 25.12-19, MN 26.34-41) are not called effacement because the bhikkhu who attains them does not use them as a basis for insight-as described for example in MN 52 and MN 64-but only as a means of enjoying bliss and peace.
Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
Perhaps it is like a knife can be used for different purposes.There're various purposes for the Jhanas
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”