MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

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MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by SarathW » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:43 pm

Very interesting Sutta.
Have we discussed this before?
The basic teaching is that Jhana is not very important for eliminating defilements.
The question is how Vipassana fitting to this?
Vipassana seems not considered Jhana.
Is there another word for effacement?


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Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by mikenz66 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:56 am

Here is a previous discussion: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta viewtopic.php?t=1688

However, feel free to point out what you find particularly interesting about it.

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Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by SarathW » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:37 am

feel free to point out what you find particularly interesting about it.
According to this Sutta, the main purpose of Jhana is for the pleasant abiding here and now.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by thomaslaw » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:37 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:43 pm
Very interesting Sutta.
Have we discussed this before?
The basic teaching is that Jhana is not very important for eliminating defilements.
The question is how Vipassana fitting to this?
Vipassana seems not considered Jhana.
Is there another word for effacement?


https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .nypo.html
According to SN 12.70 (and its counterpart SA 347), the Buddha teaches about two kinds of knowledge (nana): dhammatthiti nana (knowledge of dhamma-status) and nibbane nana (knowledge of nibbana). According to the sutta, some elder monks have attained 'liberation', which is panna vimutta (the wisdom-liberated), having the dhammatthiti nana, but without psychic powers (abhinna) and the calmed emancipations (santa vimokkha). The 'calmed emancipations' could include Jhana. That means, the panna vimutta (or the wisdom-liberated one) only needs to have the knowledge of anicca, dukkha, anatta, and conditioned arising and ceasing (nidana) for eliminating defilements (cf. Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism, pp. 201-202)

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Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by SarathW » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:35 am

This book is the English translation of a series of talks which the Venerable Mahāsī Sayādaw gave on Sallekha sutta during the years 1969-70.

https://static.sirimangalo.org/mahasi/S ... 0Sutta.htm
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Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by santa100 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:03 pm

SarathW wrote:According to this Sutta, the main purpose of Jhana is for the pleasant abiding here and now.
There're various purposes for the Jhanas, and pleasant abiding is only one among them (ie: attaining supernormal powers, rebirth in higher realms, developing insight toward total liberation, etc.). Ven Bodhi's note further explains:
the eight meditative attainments(MN 25.12-19, MN 26.34-41) are not called effacement because the bhikkhu who attains them does not use them as a basis for insight-as described for example in MN 52 and MN 64-but only as a means of enjoying bliss and peace.

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Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by SarathW » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:20 pm

There're various purposes for the Jhanas
Perhaps it is like a knife can be used for different purposes.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: MN 8 Sallekha Sutta

Post by SarathW » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:22 pm

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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