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Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by zazang » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:07 pm

Hi

I was wondering about these questions as I feel it may help me in understanding certain things better.

1. What are an Arhants thoughts normally when he is not doing anything ?

2. What are their dreams like ?

3. Lets say an Arhant is walking along a forest and sees a very small puddle of water in front. A layman would usually avoid going into it to avoid the foot or shoe to get wet/dirty. What would an Arhant do in such a case , since he has no aversion to getting wet ?

4. In the 12 nidanas explaining cause and effect starting from ignorance to suffering , it is said that volitional formations lead to consciousness. Since an Arhant does not generate volition formations , then how is he still conscious ?

5. Do Arhants ever laugh ?

Thank you su much :namaste:

metta
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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by bodom » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:14 pm

While I dont believe the following article addresses your questions directly, I do believe you will find it as helpful as I have in understanding the actions of a living, breathing Arahant.

Nibbana as Living Experience / The Buddha and The Arahant Two Studies from the Pali Canonby Lily de Silva
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el407.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


"Dont send the mind outside. Watch the mind right at the mind."

- Ajahn Dune Atulo

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by zazang » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:58 pm

Thank you so much Bodom !

I still am wondering about the 3rd question really. It could help understand certain things better.

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by jcsuperstar » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:06 pm

on #3 he or she, would probably avoid the puddle, no need to maybe get sick or what have you. maybe theres a frog in there? never know...

when the Buddha was sick he sent Ananda for water he didnt just sit there sick cause he had no aversion to it.
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by PeterB » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:50 pm

I suspect that there is only one way to really know..

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by Goedert » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:13 pm

:goodpost:

The kind of question must be asked for an arahant.

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by bodom » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:41 pm

Goedert wrote::goodpost:

The kind of question must be asked for an arahant.
Or realize Arahantship for one oneself in order to know..

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


"Dont send the mind outside. Watch the mind right at the mind."

- Ajahn Dune Atulo

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by PeterB » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:46 pm

Thats what I had in mind..

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by kc2dpt » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:02 pm

zazang wrote:4. In the 12 nidanas explaining cause and effect starting from ignorance to suffering , it is said that volitional formations lead to consciousness. Since an Arhant does not generate volition formations , then how is he still conscious ?
As I have learned it, this bit does not refer to all consciousness moment but rather specifically to the "rebirth" moment. Because the arahant does not generate volitional formations, after the last consciousness moment of the dying body ceases there is no cause for a new consciousness moment to arise in a new birth body.

During one's life, volitional formations do not lead to consciousness. Contact between a sense and a sense object leads to the corresponding sense consciousness. So, for example, contact between the eye and a form leads to the arising of eye consciousness; contact between the ear and a sound leads to ear consciousness, etc. This happens even for an arahant.

I hope this is helpful.
- Peter

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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:52 pm

Greetings Zazang,
zazang wrote:4. In the 12 nidanas explaining cause and effect starting from ignorance to suffering , it is said that volitional formations lead to consciousness. Since an Arhant does not generate volition formations , then how is he still conscious ?
Once ignorance is uprooted, the entire dependent origination sequence becomes an irrelevancy as ignorance is no longer a support for the subsequent nidanas.

The arahant still has the six consciousnesses, of course... they're just no longer conditioned by ignorance.

Metta,
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Re: Arhants thoughts and actions

Post by zazang » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:16 pm

Thank you for the answers..:)

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