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why buddha was born in india?

is it because india had condusive conditions? people had jhana, spoke about morality, know heaven and hell etc and alms giving was a big support and people were open minded and want to listen to truth and would like to debate?

these conditions not present in other countries?

is there any other reason?
dont think
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confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:49 am why buddha was born in india?

is it because india had condusive conditions? people had jhana, spoke about morality, know heaven and hell etc and alms giving was a big support and people were open minded and want to listen to truth and would like to debate?

these conditions not present in other countries?

is there any other reason?
His parents had sex there.
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Even now, India is the best place for Buddha to be born.
Even Buddha has to learn from his teachers initially.
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confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:49 am why buddha was born in india?

is it because india had condusive conditions? people had jhana, spoke about morality, know heaven and hell etc and alms giving was a big support and people were open minded and want to listen to truth and would like to debate?

these conditions not present in other countries?

is there any other reason?
Actually the area he was born in is now part of Nepal...just to be precise.
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gendun wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:22 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:49 am why buddha was born in india?

is it because india had condusive conditions? people had jhana, spoke about morality, know heaven and hell etc and alms giving was a big support and people were open minded and want to listen to truth and would like to debate?

these conditions not present in other countries?

is there any other reason?
Actually the area he was born in is now part of Nepal...just to be precise.
it doesnt matter as culture is same..
dont think
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Interestingly Buddha Kassapa was born in India too, and I suspect all other Buddhas also.

Kassapa was born in Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, India for his Brahmin parents Brahmadatta and Dhanavatī, of the Kassapagotta. Kassapa lived for two thousand years in the household in three different palaces.
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confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:07 pm
gendun wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:22 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:49 am why buddha was born in india?

is it because india had condusive conditions? people had jhana, spoke about morality, know heaven and hell etc and alms giving was a big support and people were open minded and want to listen to truth and would like to debate?

these conditions not present in other countries?

is there any other reason?
Actually the area he was born in is now part of Nepal...just to be precise.
it doesnt matter as culture is same..
I think most people that have spent time in both countries would tell you that the respective cultures, while having things in common, are very different. The question is whether they were different at the time of The Buddhas birth in Nepal.
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gendun wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:48 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:07 pm
gendun wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:22 pm

Actually the area he was born in is now part of Nepal...just to be precise.
it doesnt matter as culture is same..
I think most people that have spent time in both countries would tell you that the respective cultures, while having things in common, are very different. The question is whether they were different at the time of The Buddhas birth in Nepal.
Country border changes so
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confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:49 am why buddha was born in india?
the fact that most Indians, particularly today, cannot understand Buddhism and the fact Buddhism became extinct in India and for a short time close to extinct in Ceylon shows there is probably no exact correlation between Indian culture and the Buddha. For example, at the time close to the buddha, there was also Confucius, Lao Tse, etc, in China. I imagine both India & China had cultures where a Buddha could have arisen and, by chance, the Buddha arose in India. The type of culture necessary for the arising of a Buddha i imagine to be: (i) advanced religious culture with morality & tolerance; and (ii) advanced materialistic culture so an unenlightened Bodhisatta loses interest in sensual & material pleasures. It would appear cultures such as Greece & Judea were simply too violent or too intolerant for the arising of a Buddha there. Another factor could be climate; where a warm tropical culture minimizes the social stress in relation to the acquisition of food & makes people more relaxed.
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DooDoot wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:05 pm
the fact that most Indians, particularly today, cannot understand Buddhism
What, not even if you shout at them in a colonial manner?
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confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:49 am why buddha was born in india?

is it because india had condusive conditions? people had jhana, spoke about morality, know heaven and hell etc and alms giving was a big support and people were open minded and want to listen to truth and would like to debate?

these conditions not present in other countries?

is there any other reason?

I don't know of any other countries/cultures where the meditative practices were as developed as in India. In fact was anyone in China or Japan meditating in the 5th century bc?
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tamdrin wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:45 am
confusedlayman wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:49 am why buddha was born in india?

is it because india had condusive conditions? people had jhana, spoke about morality, know heaven and hell etc and alms giving was a big support and people were open minded and want to listen to truth and would like to debate?

these conditions not present in other countries?

is there any other reason?

I don't know of any other countries/cultures where the meditative practices were as developed as in India. In fact was anyone in China or Japan meditating in the 5th century bc?
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Indian subcontinent was a place where asceticism was common and people were spiritually and meditatively developed, and they already believed in the possibility of a Buddha (an enlightened one) arising. thus the prophecy prince siddhartha got after he was born. I also remember seeing in a documentary that at the time in India there was a growing movement toward searching for enlightenment, thus why they also had other ascetic teachers around that time, the Six Tirthakas mentioned in the Samaññaphala Sutta for instance. pretty ideal time and place for someone who would become an enlightened buddha once you think of the requirements for enlightenment. This doesnt necessarily mean other places couldn't have had the potential, as its possible other areas had developed meditation and contemplative traditions, but it certainly seems like india at the time was one of the more suitable places.
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Buddha was born in Nepal, but it is understood He spent a great time living in India, as well as attaining Enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, India.

The reason for His appearance in Nepal then life in India was that was a place where they desperately needed His help in that form. The caste system was growing more and more unfair, monarchy began to become more and more unjust, and unrestricted animal killing was becoming more and more prominent under the misuse of the Vedas, and people were often largely following Vedic ritualistic ceremonies as the all-in-all instead of looking for the deeper meaning behind them, therefore they could not be lead to salvation by them. So Buddha appeared in a land where renouncing material life was a normal thing to for many aethetics, to become the ultimate aesthetic and to lead everyone to Enlightenment, propagating a cult of Ahimsa, peace, Metta, tolerance. wisdom, meditation, understanding, and turning the Wheel of the Dharma. He appeared in Nepal and stayed in India because that subcontinent was the best place to usher in the era of Buddhism, because Buddha was in fact ready to do everything He needed there, and ultimately His birth was even predicted in the Vedic Scripture of the Bhagavatam Purana which was composed over 2400 years before His arrival in that form. Many, many were waiting on Him, and when He gloriously and humbly arrived, He saved the world. Siddhartha--"One Who's Goal Is Already Achieved."
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He was a Scottish/Canadian and will nay hear otherwise.
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