What is Nibbana?

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What is Nibbana?

Post by Mujo1127 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:23 am

Whats nibbana?How can we attain Nibbana?

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by DooDoot » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:12 am

Nibbana is non-attachment. It is attained by practising non-attachment.
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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by cappuccino » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:42 pm

Desire = Heat

Nirvana = Coolness

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by SarathW » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:40 pm

Nibbana is a cessation of ignorance.
ie: Full realisation of Four Noble Truths.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by alfa » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:15 am

Mujo1127 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:23 am
Whats nibbana?How can we attain Nibbana?
Nirvana=Cessation of consciousness.

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by Aloka » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:04 am

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This is an excerpt from Ajahn Sumedho's Introduction to “The Island.-An anthology of the Buddha's teachings on Nibbana" by Ajahn Pasanno & Ajahn Amaro.

A difficulty with the word ‘Nibbāna’ is that its meaning is beyond the power of words to describe. It is, essentially, undefinable.

Another difficulty is that many Buddhists see Nibbāna as something unobtainable – as so high and so remote that we’re not worthy enough to try for it. Or we see Nibbāna as a goal, as an unknown, undefined something that we should somehow try to attain.

Most of us are conditioned in this way. We want to achieve or attain something that we don’t have now. So Nibbāna is looked at as something that, if you work hard, keep the sīla, meditate diligently, become a monastic, devote your life to practice, then your reward might be that eventually you attain Nibbāna – even though we’re not sure what it is.

Ajahn Chah would use the words ‘the reality of non-grasping’ as the definition for Nibbāna: realizing the reality of non-grasping. That helps to put it in a context because the emphasis is on awakening to how we grasp and hold on even to words like ‘Nibbāna’ or ‘Buddhism’ or ‘practice’ or ‘sīla’ or whatever.

....and from the beginning of Chapter 1 of the same book (by Ajahn Pasanno and Ajahn Amaro):

Nibbana is a word that is used to describe an experience. When the heart is free of all obscurations, and is utterly in accord with nature, Ultimate Reality (Dhamma), it experiences perfect peace, joy and contentment. This set of qualities is what Nibbana describes. The purpose of this book is to outline the particular teachings of the Buddha that point to and illuminate ways that these qualities can be realized. From the Buddhist viewpoint, the realization of Nibbana is the fulfillment of the highest human potential – a potential that exists in all of us, regardless of nationality or creed.

https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-books/the-island/
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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by Pondera » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:18 am

Nibbana is the cessation of perception and feeling. Nibbana is the end of the defilements. Nibbana is the end of the effluents. Nibbana is the ultimate freedom of heart. Nibbana is cessation. Nibbana is Unbinding. Nibbana is freedom from contact. Nibbana is the state of non-grasping.

Nibbana is described in many ways. They are all indicators of one thing which transcends words.
What is “rupa” Jhāna? Here are four simple meditations on earth, water, fire, and wind - leading to tranquility and pleasure, rapture and equanimity - peacehttps://drive.google.com/open?id=1sdgpi ... hIz3wgz7ep

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by Nwad » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:42 am

Intresting, nobody said that Nibbaba is cessation of dukkha born from Greed Hatred and Delusion.

Greed is wanting or craving
Hatred is not-wanting or repulsion
Delusion is this fog that covers our minds, the zombie-like fog-mind in which we live

All this is cause of dukkha (or suffering, unsatisfaction, desease, what is hard to bear,..). Nibbana is the cessation of Dukkha.

As said Buddha : I teach only dukkha and cessation of dukkha.

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by Laurens » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:29 pm

It's difficult to describe Nibbana as it is beyond all concepts. Thus anything you could say about it would be easy to misunderstand. This is why people can't agree on whether it is annihilation, or not etc. It is neither. And we have a hard time grasping that.

One thing I suppose we can all agree on is that Nibbana is liberation from suffering. As for a description of what it is like, I don't think it's possible, even for someone who has attained it, let alone for someone like myself who hasn't.
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:56 am

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One of my favorite interpretations of nibbana:
  • Nibbana is an element [datu] having the property to extinguish the kilesas once and for all, in graded-fashion, depending upon the sharpness of the wisdom of/in the mind which experiences it.

    The goal is [& rightly should be] the mind completely void of impurities.

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by Mujo1127 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:42 pm

somebody said there are 2 or 4 type nibbana
any detail of this :anjali:

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by Dhammanando » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:38 pm

Mujo1127 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:42 pm
somebody said there are 2 or 4 type nibbana
any detail of this :anjali:
Nibbāna can be one, two, three or four.

For one, two and three see pages 391-4 of Sayādaw U Sīlānanda's Handbook of Abhidhamma Studies.

http://www.abhidhamma.com/Abhid-Lectures-2.pdf

As for the fourfold nibbāna, this is based on whether the attainer is a sotāpanna, sakadāgāmin, anāgāmin or arahant.
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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by sentinel » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:36 pm

Mujo1127 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:23 am
somebody said there are 2 or 4 type nibbana

If following the early text there is just one . If follows later period text probably couple of them .
Personally , I favour The One .

If dipping your legs in water an inch , twelve inches or hundreds feet , does the water is one type , two type or multiple type ?
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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by salayatananirodha » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:00 pm

Pondera wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:18 am
Nibbana is the cessation of perception and feeling. Nibbana is the end of the defilements. Nibbana is the end of the effluents. Nibbana is the ultimate freedom of heart. Nibbana is cessation. Nibbana is Unbinding. Nibbana is freedom from contact. Nibbana is the state of non-grasping.

Nibbana is described in many ways. They are all indicators of one thing which transcends words.
it's only natural that one attains nibbāna upon exiting the cessation of perception & feeling, but these are not the same thing.
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN44.html wrote:“Now, lady, how does the attainment of the cessation of perception & feeling come about?”

“The thought does not occur to a monk as he is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling that ‘I am about to attain the cessation of perception & feeling’ or that ‘I am attaining the cessation of perception & feeling’ or that ‘I have attained the cessation of perception & feeling.’ Instead, the way his mind has previously been developed leads him to that state.”

“But when a monk is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling, which things cease first: bodily fabrications, verbal fabrications, or mental fabrications?”

“When a monk is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling, friend Visākha, verbal fabrications cease first, then bodily fabrications, then mental fabrications.”1

“Now, lady, how does emergence from the cessation of perception & feeling come about?”

“The thought does not occur to a monk as he is emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling that ‘I am about to emerge from the cessation of perception & feeling’ or that ‘I am emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling’ or that ‘I have emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling.’ Instead, the way his mind has previously been developed leads him to that state.”

“But when a monk is emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling, which things arise first: bodily fabrications, verbal fabrications, or mental fabrications?”

“When a monk is emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling, friend Visākha, mental fabrications arise first, then bodily fabrications, then verbal fabrications.”

“When a monk has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling, lady, how many contacts make contact?”

“When a monk has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling, friend Visākha, three contacts make contact: contact with emptiness, contact with the signless, & contact with the undirected.”2

“When a monk has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling, lady, to what does his mind lean, to what does it tend, to what does it incline?”

“When a monk has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling, friend Visākha, his mind leans to seclusion, tends to seclusion, inclines to seclusion.”3
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


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https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/index.htm
http://thaiforestwisdom.org/canonical-texts/
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-conte ... _Heart.pdf
https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html

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Re: What is Nibbana?

Post by salayatananirodha » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:03 pm

https://www.buddhistinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Nibbana-01-1.pdf wrote:Etaṃ santaṃ, etaṃ paṇītaṃ, yadidaṃ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho
sabbūpadhipaṭinissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṃ.
"This is peaceful, this is excellent, namely the stilling of all preparations, the
relinquishment of all assets, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation,
extinction".
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


links:
https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/index.htm
http://thaiforestwisdom.org/canonical-texts/
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-conte ... _Heart.pdf
https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html

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