suffering is caused by ????

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JohnK
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Re: suffering is caused by ????

Post by JohnK » Wed May 09, 2018 3:19 pm

justindesilva wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:45 am
...Paticcasamupaada is conditional arising with 12 conditions one following the other moving in a cycle.
It is interesting that Thanissaro Bhikkhu suggests that the idea of a wheel (or cycle), a common image for DO, is a simplified image that is inadequate as a depiction of the complexity of the processes leading to suffering and the undermining of that process. IIRC, this has to do with the interlocking feedback loops that he says are characteristic of non-linear systems (I'm not educated in such matters). This is from The Shape of Suffering: A Study of Dependent Co-arising
https://www.dhammatalks.org/ebook_index ... fsuffering
"...the practice is essentially a practice, and not a theory to be idly discussed...right view leaves unanswered many questions about the cosmos and the self, and directs your attention to what needs to be done to escape from the ravages of suffering." Thanissaro Bhikkhu, On The Path.

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Re: suffering is caused by ????

Post by justindesilva » Thu May 10, 2018 3:48 am

JohnK wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 3:19 pm
justindesilva wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:45 am
...Paticcasamupaada is conditional arising with 12 conditions one following the other moving in a cycle.
It is interesting that Thanissaro Bhikkhu suggests that the idea of a wheel (or cycle), a common image for DO, is a simplified image that is inadequate as a depiction of the complexity of the processes leading to suffering and the undermining of that process. IIRC, this has to do with the interlocking feedback loops that he says are characteristic of non-linear systems (I'm not educated in such matters). This is from The Shape of Suffering: A Study of Dependent Co-arising
https://www.dhammatalks.org/ebook_index ... fsuffering
Paticca samuppada contains a core teaching of buddhism. And hence each condition seperately has to be studied in depth to understand the whole process of paticca samuppada. The 12 elements for formation of paticca samuppada are: Avijja, Sankhara ( karma formations), Vingnana( consciousness) , nama-rupa, salayatana, Vedana, Tanha( craving) , upadana (clinging),
Bhava (process of becoming) , jati ( rebirth) , jara maranam ( death sorrow lamentation pain grief and despair) .
Each element in the link of these 12 conditions is a process by itself which process will be an individual in depth study.
eg: nama rupa is one of the most discussed processes.
and jara maranam is this 'suffering' mentioned.

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