Doubts: cosmology, etc.

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Re: Doubts: cosmology, etc.

Post by seeker242 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:46 pm

new wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:55 pm
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There are a few points that cause doubts in me. Sorry, I don't have the exact sources at the moment, but I think you all have come across them in the suttas.

1. Does the Buddha imply that the moon shines by itself?
I think he is implying here that it's not hidden. :smile: Anyone can see it. Doesn't matter if you are black or white, rich or poor, high born or low born, etc. AKA the dhamma is for everyone to see, just like the moon is for everyone to see.

4. I'm not sure about this one, because I haven't looked that much into it. The way the Buddhists saw the geography of their continent, the planet etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambudvipa#In_Buddhism, is it compatible with our modern understanding?
Our modern, aka scientific, understanding is not capable of even investigating it to begin with.
The other three continents of Buddhist accounts around Sumeru are not accessible to humans from Jambudvīpa...Jambudvīpa is the region where the humans live
If it's not accessible to humans, then humans of course can't investigate it and therefore can't prove it or disprove it. If something is worthy of scientific investigation, it has to first be "investigatable" to begin with. Buddhist cosmology is not "investigatable", aka it's unfalsibiable, via modern scientific understanding. If something is unfalsibiable, then modern scientific understanding is not even applicable or relevant.

One could say it's not compatible with our "modern understanding" because our modern understanding is inherently materialistic and Buddhism is not materialistic. A scientist cannot prove or disprove the existence of a deva or deva realm. However, simply because that is the case does not make it false. It doesn't make it true, but it doesn't make it false either. The only legitimate conclusion science can offer is "not applicable" because such things don't even fall within the realm of scientific investigation.

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Re: Doubts: cosmology, etc.

Post by binocular » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:09 pm

new wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:55 pm
I'm rather bothered by the possiblity that the Buddha (or the suttas) could teach false things, which automatically would make me doubt the rest of the teaching too.
/.../
The problem is: how can I know which parts were true and which were not. I can't throw away everything I don't like?
/.../
It's important to find what the Buddha really taught.
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