Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

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Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

Postby SarathW » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:03 pm

Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

Very interesting topic. I can't recall we discuss this in this forum.
This Sri Lankan monk argues, that Buddha leaving his son and wife is not Kamma.
However he reap the result (phala) for his action (Hetu).
That is people blame him for leaving his wife.

Then he shows another example a woman killing her husband (a thief and a murderer) and became a monk and later become an Arahant.

The following Dhamma talk in Sinhala language.

http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD088-34
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Re: Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

Postby SarathW » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:57 am

Another Sri Lankan monk trying to explain above.
But I cant make any sense out of it.

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One of the most important teachings of the Buddha is Kamma and Vipàka (cause and effect). According to the four Noble Truths, what is Kamma? Kamma is the cause of suffering or craving. Vipàka is Dukkha or the truth of suffering. On the other hand Kamma and Vipàka are regarded as Hetu-Phala (cause and effect). Hetu (cause) is the second Noble Truth. Phala is the First Noble Truth. According to the Paticca Samuppàda (Dependent origination) a human being is divided into ten aspects; ignorance, formation, craving and so on. Five of them from ignorance to action or becoming are regarded as Kamma or Hetu (cause). The rest are regarded as Vipàka or Phala (effect). In one sense Vipàka means rebirth.


http://metta.lk/english/buddhist-points.htm
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Re: Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

Postby lionking » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:08 am

Well, the correct pronunciation is “Hethu” and “Pala”. They approximate to the Pali terms Karma and Vipaka.

Prince Siddhartha leaves his wife (and child) behind to attain Buddhahood. The karma is the intention.

Who decides the intention is good or bad? Is there a universal judge that adjudicate whether the intention is bad and therefore must be penalized?

One's conscious cannot lie. One can lie to a judge and jury but never to your one's own conscience. It’s the conscience that punishes. It's one’s own conscience one can never escape. Conscience, therefore, is “god” that rewards one and punishes when it's deserved.

Conscience is in fact “consciousness”. It’s one own consciousness that decides your own fate.

When Prince Siddhartha’s leaves his wife behind his consciousness is neither vindictive nor selfish. His consciousness knows the intention is to liberate mankind from further suffering. It’s as selfless and kind one can be.

Therefore, he generates incredibly good Kamma that propels him over the final hurdle. As soon as he reaches the pinnacle he stops generating any further Kamma.

After the neutralizing of consciousness, he becomes intention-less. The link between Kamma and consciousness has been broken. His consciousness thus no longer governs his fate.
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Kamma: The Law of Moral Causation

Postby Mohan Gnanathilake » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:13 am

We are faced with a totally ill-balanced world. We perceive the inequalities and manifold destinies of men and the numerous grades of beings that exist in the universe. We see one born into a condition of affluence, endowed with fine mental, moral and physical qualities and another into a condition of abject poverty and wretchedness. Here is a man virtuous and holy but, contrary to his expectation, ill-luck is ever ready to greet him. The wicked world runs counter to his ambitions and desires. He is poor and miserable in spite of his honest dealings and piety. There is another vicious and foolish, but accounted to be fortune’s darling. He is rewarded with all forms of favours, despite his shortcomings and evil modes of life.

*** Submitted by Mohan Barathi Gnanathilake***

The source of this post is “Buddhism in a Nutshell” by Venerable Narada Mahathera
Last edited by Mohan Gnanathilake on Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind-made are they. If one speaks or acts with impure mind pain follows him like the wheel the hoof of the ox.
(Dhammapada 1, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind –made are they. If one speaks or acts with pure mind happiness follows him like one’s shadow that never leaves.
(Dhammapada 2, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

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Vipāka: Effect

Postby Mohan Gnanathilake » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:56 pm

Part of our life is spent in receiving pleasant or unpleasant results and part of our life is spent in performing unwholesome and wholesome deeds which will condition our behavior in the future and which will also condition the results we will receive in the future. If we understand more about vipāka which is the result of our own deeds, it will help us to be more patient when there are unpleasant results in our life.
All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind-made are they. If one speaks or acts with impure mind pain follows him like the wheel the hoof of the ox.
(Dhammapada 1, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind –made are they. If one speaks or acts with pure mind happiness follows him like one’s shadow that never leaves.
(Dhammapada 2, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

Mr.Mohan Barathi Gnanathilake
Permanent Address : No. 372 / 2 , Mahara Prison Road , Ragama, Sri Lanka.
Telephone No :+94 112957857
Email :[email protected]

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Roots (hetus)

Postby Mohan Gnanathilake » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:04 am

By the word ‘hetu’ or ‘root’ is meant the foundation of the mental state (citta). The root is the foundation of the mental state (citta) just as the root of a tree supports the tree and makes it grow.

Unwholesome mental states (akusala cittas) can be rooted in three different unwholesome roots (akusala hetus). They are attachment (lobha), aversion or ill-will (dosa) and ignorance (moha).

Wholesome mental states (kusala cittas) can be rooted in three different wholesome roots (sobhana hetus). They are non-attachment (aloba), non-hate or kindness (adosa) and wisdom (amoha or paññā).
All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind-made are they. If one speaks or acts with impure mind pain follows him like the wheel the hoof of the ox.
(Dhammapada 1, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind –made are they. If one speaks or acts with pure mind happiness follows him like one’s shadow that never leaves.
(Dhammapada 2, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

Mr.Mohan Barathi Gnanathilake
Permanent Address : No. 372 / 2 , Mahara Prison Road , Ragama, Sri Lanka.
Telephone No :+94 112957857
Email :[email protected]

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Re: Kamma: The Law of Moral Causation

Postby Mohan Gnanathilake » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:15 am

Mohan Gnanathilake wrote:We are faced with a totally ill-balanced world. We perceive the inequalities and manifold destinies of men and the numerous grades of beings that exist in the universe. We see one born into a condition of affluence, endowed with fine mental, moral and physical qualities and another into a condition of abject poverty and wretchedness. Here is a man virtuous and holy but, contrary to his expectation, ill-luck is ever ready to greet him. The wicked world runs counter to his ambitions and desires. He is poor and miserable in spite of his honest dealings and piety. There is another vicious and foolish, but accounted to be fortune’s darling. He is rewarded with all forms of favours, despite his shortcomings and evil modes of life.

*** Submitted by Mohan Barathi Gnanathilake***

The source of this post is “Buddhism in a Nutshell” by Venerable Narada Mahathera


Not only birth in a certain plane of existence and in certain surroundings is the result of the law of moral causation (kamma). All through someone’s life someone receives unpleasant and pleasant results.
All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind-made are they. If one speaks or acts with impure mind pain follows him like the wheel the hoof of the ox.
(Dhammapada 1, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

All thoughts begin in the mind, mind is supreme and mind –made are they. If one speaks or acts with pure mind happiness follows him like one’s shadow that never leaves.
(Dhammapada 2, Yamaka Vagga – The Twin Verses)

Mr.Mohan Barathi Gnanathilake
Permanent Address : No. 372 / 2 , Mahara Prison Road , Ragama, Sri Lanka.
Telephone No :+94 112957857
Email :[email protected]

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Re: Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

Postby SarathW » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:31 am

Well, the correct pronunciation is “Hethu” and “Pala”. They approximate to the Pali terms Karma and Vipaka.


The following video (in Sinhala language)
Ven says that Kamma Vipaka and Hethu and Pala are two different things.
Hethu means in this case attachment, aversion,ignorance, non-attachment, non-aversion and loving kindness.
Pala means the results of these mental states.



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Re: Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

Postby SarathW » Fri May 19, 2017 9:10 am

Are attachement aversion and ignorance Kamma?
If they are not kamma, what are result of them?
Why can't we call them Kamma Vipaka?
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Re: Kamma, Vipaka and Hetu, Phala?

Postby 2600htz » Sun May 21, 2017 1:17 am

Hello:

Hetu or Cetana means intention of the action.
Kamma means action.
Vipaka means ripening or maduration of the action.
Phala means fruit of the action.


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