indian_buddhist wrote:I am trying to understand Kamma (Seed) and Kamma-phala (fruit of the seed).
My question is :- One Wholesome/Unwholesome/Neither wholesome or unwholesome Kamma has been done in a situation then does the exact situation needs to come into being for that kamma to become ripe?.
To give you a simile:- Suppose for your own selfish reasons you hurt someone who loves you or you leave someone who loves...........The Phala would need the same situation to happen again to ripe?....Like YOU have to fall in love with someone and then that someone will ditch you .
Or the bad Kamma of leaving that girl will be repaid in other forms irrelevant to the original situation (Like you getting Ill or getting a disease for the original bad kamma of ditching a girl who loves you).
The emotional pain caused in such situations is "punishment" enough don't you think?
These workings of Kamma are beyond our understanding.
Your above examples are flawed.
So many factors to consider...
if you leave a girlfriend, you do so for some reasons.
If your next girlfriend leaves you - would it be for precisely the same reasons?
Of course not.
so the workings of 'kamma' in the first instance, will be completely different to the second situation.... you see?
I hope you understood about my first question.
Yes, but it is a fathomless one, so understanding it is one thing. Responding accurately, is impossible.
it is complete and total utter conjecture...
2. My second question is that :- Buddha has said that it is better that you get the Phala in this life itself because if NOT then your accumulated Kamma which did not get an opportunity to ripen (phala) would have accumulated so much that it could decide your next rebirth (next realm of existence).
My question to you, is this:
How do you know which 'phala' is from this life, and which 'phala' is from a previous existence?
Previous 'phala' is irrelevant.
It is what it is....
Focus on generating positive, beneficial Kamma now, in this life; in that way, the phala is far more likely to be likewise....
I know the Buddha said that it is useless to predict or link Kamma and results.
so, if you consider his words to be wise and educational - why do you not follow his suggestion?
But forgive me if I ask this :- Do people who move closer towards Enlightenment have quicker results of Kamma and Phala (like within a Month or so) and people who are far away from Spirituality and Enlightenment have Longer gap between Karma and Phala?.
If we are not Enlightened, we cannot tell you - we can only guess, as you do.
If we ARE enlightened, you would have to replicate our life completely to see how it's done.
You have your life to lead, so focus on that....
Unconjecturable, is your last question.
Completely without response, that would make your cogitation cease....