Do it excist creaturs that never will become liberated?

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Do it excist creaturs that never will become liberated?

Post by user99 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:11 pm

I got norhing to write here about it.

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Re: Do it excist creaturs that never will become liberated?

Post by confusedlayman » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:18 pm

user99 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:11 pm
I got norhing to write here about it.
all creature supported by kamma so they will be liberated accordingly when there is possibility.
non-agitation is highest peace
living unaffected by other cause and condition to suffering is true bliss
not associating with stupid people is immediate peace
- CL (confused layman)

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Re: Do it excist creaturs that never will become liberated?

Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:26 am

My meditation teacher, Chanmyay Sayādaw, once give a nice talk on meditation at Chiswick Vihāra in London. He said to the audience, “There is one person here who is hopeless of attaining liberation. Shall I tell you who that is?” ... After a short pause while those in the audience contemplated which of them it might be, the Sayādaw continued: “That person is a lazy person. A lazy person is incapable of attaining liberation.”
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Re: Do it excist creaturs that never will become liberated?

Post by Aloka » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:07 am

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The Buddha said:
“Mendicants, these four things are unthinkable. They should not be thought about, and anyone who tries to think about them will go mad or get frustrated. What four?

The scope of the Buddhas …

The scope of one in absorption …

The results of deeds …

Speculation about the world …

These are the four unthinkable things. They should not be thought about, and anyone who tries to think about them will go mad or get frustrated.”

https://suttacentral.net/an4.77/en/sujato

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Re: Do it excist creaturs that never will become liberated?

Post by Dhammanando » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:17 am

In early Buddhism no position was taken on this question.
"... the Tathagata isn't concerned with whether all the cosmos or half of it or a third of it will be led to release by means of that [Dhamma]. But he does know this: 'All those who have been led, are being led, or will be led [to release] from the cosmos have done so, are doing so, or will do so after having abandoned the five hindrances — those defilements of awareness that weaken discernment — having well-established their minds in the four frames of reference, and having developed, as they have come to be, the seven factors for Awakening. When you asked the Blessed One this question, you had already asked it in another way. That's why he didn't respond."

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
In later times, however, some Mahayanists took to speculating and debating about the matter. A minority of them held that certain beings were so bad as to be eternally debarred from the possibility of awakening. The majority view denied this and asserted the indestructibility of Buddha nature.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta

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