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When doing the Aorist form and a word begins with an "a" like "akkosati" do we change the a to ā?
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Wizard in the Forest wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:09 pm
When doing the Aorist form and a word begins with an "a" like "akkosati" do we change the a to ā?
You could in theory, but in practice this is only ever done with the verb atthi.
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so we don't actually add "a" in front all the time when using the aorist. So what's the normal way to make the aorist?
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Wizard in the Forest wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:48 pm
so we don't actually add "a" in front all the time when using the aorist. So what's the normal way to make the aorist?
Adding an a- is quite common, but not when the verbal root begins with a vowel.

In all there are three ways of forming the aorist. See the attached file for Duroiselle's account.
Duroiselle, The Aorist.pdf
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A wonderful source. Many thanks Venerable, Sir.
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Wizard in the Forest wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:09 pm
When doing the Aorist form and a word begins with an "a" like "akkosati" do we change the a to ā?
The example you gave would already be the conjugated aorist form, so nothing to be added anymore to that at least. I would like to offer to what has already been said that no long vowel is permitted to remain before conjunct consonants of course. So, a short form is then to be expected in these cases ... But I also never read of any rule which would allow for an ā as the aorist augment in general. Kaccāyana (519), for example, mentions only the a augment.

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