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Post by Ceisiwr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm

As my Pali skills are poor I need some help translating “ Marīcikūpamā”. I’ve tried various dictionaries but I come up short. Any help would be much appreciated.

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Re: Help needed

Post by frank k » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:43 pm

the last part of the word 'upama' is probably from opama, the pali word for simile. it would help if you cite the sutta number and show more of the passage.

is that from the famous 5 similes for the 5 aggregates?
if so, i think marici is the one corresponding to perceptions aggregate, so perceptions is 'similar' to a 'mirage'.
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Re: Help needed

Post by Nicolas » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:48 pm

It's translated as "like a mirage" by Bodhi, Sujato, Nanananda (Thanissaro reads "mirage", but "like a" is implicit).

The PTS dictionary reads the following for "marīci":
Marīci (f.) [Vedic marīci; cp. Gr. marmai/rw to shimmer, glitter, mai_ra dog star, a)maru/ssw sparkle; Lat. merus clear, pure; perhaps also mariyādā to be taken here] 1. a ray of light VvA 166. -- 2. a mirage J vi.209; Vism 496; VbhA 34, 85; often combined with māyā (q. v.), e. g. Nd2 680 Aii; J ii.330.

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Re: Help needed

Post by Ceisiwr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:36 pm

frank k wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:43 pm
the last part of the word 'upama' is probably from opama, the pali word for simile. it would help if you cite the sutta number and show more of the passage.

is that from the famous 5 similes for the 5 aggregates?
if so, i think marici is the one corresponding to perceptions aggregate, so perceptions is 'similar' to a 'mirage'.

It’s is that sutta, yes. The one in my signature.

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Re: Help needed

Post by Ceisiwr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:36 pm

Nicolas wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:48 pm
It's translated as "like a mirage" by Bodhi, Sujato, Nanananda (Thanissaro reads "mirage", but "like a" is implicit).

The PTS dictionary reads the following for "marīci":
Marīci (f.) [Vedic marīci; cp. Gr. marmai/rw to shimmer, glitter, mai_ra dog star, a)maru/ssw sparkle; Lat. merus clear, pure; perhaps also mariyādā to be taken here] 1. a ray of light VvA 166. -- 2. a mirage J vi.209; Vism 496; VbhA 34, 85; often combined with māyā (q. v.), e. g. Nd2 680 Aii; J ii.330.


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Re: Help needed

Post by DooDoot » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:04 pm

Concise Pali English Dictionary
marīcikā
feminine
mirage.

https://suttacentral.net/define/mar%C4%ABcik%C4%81
Concise Pali English Dictionary
upama
(in cpds.) like; similar; having the qualities of.

https://suttacentral.net/define/upama
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Re: Help needed

Post by Ceisiwr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:06 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:04 pm
Concise Pali English Dictionary
marīcikā
feminine
mirage.

https://suttacentral.net/define/mar%C4%ABcik%C4%81
Concise Pali English Dictionary
upama
(in cpds.) like; similar; having the qualities of.

https://suttacentral.net/define/upama

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