What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

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What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

Post by zan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:34 am

What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"? And what does it translate to?

Thanks!
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Re: What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

Post by Kim OHara » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:42 am

You should ask ven. Sujato, since the only instance of the phrase on the whole internet :jawdrop: is on his blog - https://sujato.wordpress.com/2011/05/13 ... ust-isn’t/

Do you realise how rare a unique search result is?
:woohoo:

Actually, it makes me suspect a spelling error - or two, since my search engine usually suggests alternatives ... "Including results for xxxx..." etc, but didn't this time.

:coffee:
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Re: What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

Post by DooDoot » Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:10 am

zan wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:34 am
What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"? And what does it translate to?
It is from DN 15. I don't know how to translate it but I am merely exploring below:
Jāti ca hi, ānanda, nābhavissa sabbena sabbaṃ sabbathā sabbaṃ kassaci kimhici, seyyathidaṃ

Suppose there were totally and utterly no [existing of] rebirth for anyone anywhere. (Sujato)

If there were no birth at all, in any way, of anything anywhere (Thanissaro)

If there were absolutely and utterly no birth of any kind anywhere (Bodhi)

Upādānañca hi, ānanda, nābhavissa sabbena sabbaṃ sabbathā sabbaṃ kassaci kimhici, seyyathidaṃ

Suppose there were totally and utterly no grasping for anyone anywhere. (Sujato)

https://suttacentral.net/dn15/en/sujato :shrug:
The text below looks very interesting:
sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam
“If the cause and condition that gives rise to eye consciousness were to totally and utterly cease without anything left over, would eye consciousness still be found?”

“Yo cāvuso, hetu, yo ca paccayo cakkhuviññāṇassa uppādāya, so ca hetu, so ca paccayo sabbena sabbaṃ sabbathā sabbaṃ aparisesaṃ nirujjheyya. Api nu kho cakkhuviññāṇaṃ paññāyethā”ti?

https://suttacentral.net/sn35.234/en/sujato
Doot wrote:sabbena (instrumental case) sabbam sabbattha sabbam

By all & all in all & every way :mrgreen:

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Re: What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

Post by sentinel » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:11 am

zan wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:34 am
What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"? And what does it translate to?

Thanks!
Fyi , if you look at Chinese translation , it says ,

If there were
entirely and totally
no manifestation at all ,
no matter what ,
no matter how , it is nonexistence .

Regards
:coffee:

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Re: What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

Post by zan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:09 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:10 am
zan wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:34 am
What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"? And what does it translate to?
It is from DN 15. I don't know how to translate it but I am merely exploring below:
Jāti ca hi, ānanda, nābhavissa sabbena sabbaṃ sabbathā sabbaṃ kassaci kimhici, seyyathidaṃ

Suppose there were totally and utterly no [existing of] rebirth for anyone anywhere. (Sujato)

If there were no birth at all, in any way, of anything anywhere (Thanissaro)

If there were absolutely and utterly no birth of any kind anywhere (Bodhi)

Upādānañca hi, ānanda, nābhavissa sabbena sabbaṃ sabbathā sabbaṃ kassaci kimhici, seyyathidaṃ

Suppose there were totally and utterly no grasping for anyone anywhere. (Sujato)

https://suttacentral.net/dn15/en/sujato :shrug:
The text below looks very interesting:
sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam
“If the cause and condition that gives rise to eye consciousness were to totally and utterly cease without anything left over, would eye consciousness still be found?”

“Yo cāvuso, hetu, yo ca paccayo cakkhuviññāṇassa uppādāya, so ca hetu, so ca paccayo sabbena sabbaṃ sabbathā sabbaṃ aparisesaṃ nirujjheyya. Api nu kho cakkhuviññāṇaṃ paññāyethā”ti?

https://suttacentral.net/sn35.234/en/sujato
Doot wrote:sabbena (instrumental case) sabbam sabbattha sabbam

By all & all in all & every way :mrgreen:

:shrug:
Thanks very much :)
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Re: What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

Post by zan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:10 pm

sentinel wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:11 am
zan wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:34 am
What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"? And what does it translate to?

Thanks!
Fyi , if you look at Chinese translation , it says ,

If there were
entirely and totally
no manifestation at all ,
no matter what ,
no matter how , it is nonexistence .

Regards
Much appreciated.
Never read anything I write as an accurate statement about anything whatsoever. First, look to wiser ones than I. Look to wise texts. Unless you can confirm their accuracy from a reliable source, treat my writings like word games, nothing more.

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Re: What sutta has this quote: "sabbena sabbam sabbattha sabbam kassaci kimhici"?

Post by zan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:30 pm

Kim OHara wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:42 am
You should ask ven. Sujato, since the only instance of the phrase on the whole internet :jawdrop: is on his blog - https://sujato.wordpress.com/2011/05/13 ... ust-isn’t/

Do you realise how rare a unique search result is?
:woohoo:

Actually, it makes me suspect a spelling error - or two, since my search engine usually suggests alternatives ... "Including results for xxxx..." etc, but didn't this time.

:coffee:
Kim
Thanks but how? The blog post is extremely old, so I didn't think commenting there productive.
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