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Post by altar » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:48 pm

what is the pali for restraint?

in english i've come up with one alternative: moderation

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Re: restraint

Post by Sam Vara » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:01 pm

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:30 am

oh ... sam vara, saṁvara -- i see
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Re: restraint

Post by Sam Vara » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:22 am

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:30 am
oh ... sam vara, saṁvara -- i see
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Post by TamHanhHi » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:24 pm

altar wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:48 pm
in english i've come up with one alternative: moderation
I don't think moderation is the best alternative. That implies a little of something is okay. But in the case of restraint, you're totally keeping something out, protecting. For example, restraint of the senses refers to guarding your sense doors so that unskillful qualities don't invade your mind.

Maybe caution or (self)control is better?
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Re: restraint

Post by Sam Vara » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:46 pm

TamHanhHi wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:24 pm
altar wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:48 pm
in english i've come up with one alternative: moderation
I don't think moderation is the best alternative. That implies a little of something is okay. But in the case of restraint, you're totally keeping something out, protecting. For example, restraint of the senses refers to guarding your sense doors so that unskillful qualities don't invade your mind.

Maybe caution or (self)control is better?
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I think "prudence", "circumspection" and "continence" are, although not exact synonyms, worth thinking about.

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Re: restraint

Post by pitakele » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:09 pm

altar wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:48 pm
what is the pali for restraint?

in english i've come up with one alternative: moderation
As others have posted, 'samvara' is the correct translation for restraint in Pali. In English, we could use 'moderate use' in the same sense as 'restrained use'. However, moderation in Pali is generally a separate term, 'mattaññū' - knower (ñū) of the (right) measure (matta). An oft used phrase is 'bhojane mattaññū', knower of the (right) measure in taking food. 'Mattaññū' is used in conjunction with other activities such as talking, exertion etc.
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Re: restraint

Post by altar » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:56 am

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Re: restraint

Post by paul » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:43 pm

Due to the large quantities of rice offered, one of the Sinhala words I quickly learned when staying at a large monastery in Sri Lanka was "atthi" (enough), being an evolution of the Pali matta.

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