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Pali word for withdrawal

Post by auto » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:52 pm

What is the pali for withdrawal,

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"Now there is the case where a monk — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities — enters & remains in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. If, as he remains there, he is beset with attention to perceptions dealing with sensuality, that is an affliction for him. Just as pain arises as an affliction in a healthy person for his affliction, even so the attention to perceptions dealing with sensuality that beset the monk is an affliction for him. Now, the Blessed One has said that whatever is an affliction is stress. So by this line of reasoning it may be known how Unbinding is pleasant.

i compared it with Sujato's but they are too different to find the word by myself. Other thing is the word at 3rd jhana,

"senses pleasure with the body" what is the pali in Nibbana sutta(AN 9.34) there, can't find it..
"Furthermore, there is the case where a monk, with the fading of rapture, he remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhana, of which the Noble Ones declare, 'Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.' If, as he remains there, he is beset with attention to perceptions dealing with rapture, that is an affliction for him...

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Re: Pali word for withdrawal

Post by Dmytro » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:16 pm

Hi,

Here it's "vivicca" (translated as "withdrawn) and ""viveka" (translated as "withdrawal"):

Vivicca (indecl.) [ger. of viviccati] separating oneself from (instr.), aloof from D i.37; A iii.25; J vi.388; Dhs 160; Pug 68; Vism 139, 140 (expld in detail). -- Doubtful reading at Pv i.119 (for viricca?). -- As viviccaŋ (& a˚) at J v.434 in meaning "secretly" (=raho paṭicchannaŋ C.).

Viviccati [vi+vic] to separate oneself, to depart from, to be alone, to separate (intrs.) Vin iv.241; ger. viviccitvā DhsA 165, & vivicca (see sep.). -- pp. vivitta. -- Cp. viveceti.

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Viveka [fr. vi+vic] detachment, loneliness, separation, seclusion; "singleness" (of heart), discrimination (of thought) D i.37, 182; iii.222, 226, 283=S iv.191 (˚ninna citta); S i.2, 194; iv.365 sq.; v.6, 240 sq.; A i.53; iii.329; iv.224; Vin iv.241; Sn 474, 772, 822, 851, 915, 1065; Nd1 158, 222; J i.79; iii.31; Dhs 160; Pug 59, 68; Nett 16, 50; DhsA 164, 166; ThA 64; PvA 43; Sdhp 471. -- viveka is given as fivefold at Ps ii.220 sq. and VbhA 316, cp. K.S. i.321 (Bdhgh on S iii.2, 8), viz. tadanga˚, vikkhambhana˚, samuccheda˚ paṭippassaddhi˚, nissaraṇa˚; as threefold
at Vism 140, viz. kāya˚, citta˚, vikkhambhana˚, i. e. physically, mentally, ethically; which division amounts to the same as that given at
Nd1 26 with kāya˚, citta˚, upadhi˚, the latter equivalent to "nibbāna." Cp. on term Dial. i.84. See also jhāna. Cp. pa˚.

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Re: Pali word for withdrawal

Post by Dmytro » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:22 pm

"senses pleasure with the body" what is the pali in Nibbana sutta(AN 9.34) there, can't find it.
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Re: Pali word for withdrawal

Post by auto » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:51 pm

Thank you for the time and effort!

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