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translation for this sutta

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:00 am

i could only find this in pali. https://suttacentral.net/pi/an6.120/0-
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by Dmytro » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:06 am

Hi,

If you click on the upper left corner of Suttacentral window, you can find a link to translation:
4. Bhallikādisuttāṃ - The householer Bhallika and others

012.04. Bhikkhus, the householders Bhallika, ... re ... Sudatta, ... re ... Anāthapiṇḍika, ... re ... Citta, ... re ... Macchikāsandika, ... re ... Hatthaka Aalavaka, ... re ... Mahanama the Sakya, ... re ... Ugga the householder of Vesali, ... re ... the householder Ugga, ... re ... Sura Ambattha, ... re ... Jīvaka Komarabacca, ... re ... the householder Nakula ... re ... the householder Tavakannika, ... re ... the houeholders Purana and Isidatta. The householders Sandhana, ... re ... Vijaya, ... re ... Vajjiyamahita, ... re ... Mendaka. The disciples Vasettha ... re ... Arittha, ... re ... Saragga, endowed with six things and taking a sign from the Thus Gone One has seen deathlessness realized the highest and behaves. What six?

Unwavering faith, in The Blessed One, in the Teaching, in the Community of bhikkhus, in the noble one's virtues, in the noble one's knowledge and the noble one's release.

Bhikkhus, the disciple Saragga endowed with these six things and taking a sign from the Thus Gone One has seen deathlessness realized the highest and behaves.

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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:23 am

ok, did you have to search for it? well, i heard that awake site has awful translations. i'm wary
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by Mkoll » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:37 am

Yes, that site's translations can be questionable.

Ven. Bodhi's translation of the AN can be had new for ~$60, and his translations are far clearer. Or just wait until Ven. Sujato has finished translating the AN and releases it for free on suttacentral.org, probably a year or so out from release.
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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by DooDoot » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:50 am

Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation:
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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by paul » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:24 am

Because of the emphasis on faith, I think this refers to stream-entry.

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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:39 am

why would a monk charge money for translating suttas
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by mikenz66 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:09 am

Hi Sovatthika,

My recollection is that Bhikkhu Bodhi donates any royalties to charity. In any case, the majority of the retail price of books does not go to the authors.

You might like to read this thread:
Why isn't the Visuddhimagga free?
which discusses some of the issues.

Towards the end of that thread, after a gap of a few years, you'll see that the new BPS version was released as a book for purchase and a downloadable PDF. It would, of course, be nice if that happened with more books.

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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by samseva » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:39 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:09 am
You might like to read this thread:
Why isn't the Visuddhimagga free?
which discusses some of the issues.
The Visuddhimagga is distributed for free—but the printed version still costs something, due to production costs (giving the printed books for free would surely make the publishers go bankrupt in a very short amount of time).

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Re: translation for this sutta

Post by samseva » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:42 am

Sovatthika wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:39 am
why would a monk charge money for translating suttas
While Bhikkhu Bodhi is the author/translator, I am 100% certain he doesn't get a salary (since he can't even touch money). It is possibly Wisdom Publications which accepts and redistributes the funds, or another organization.

Regarding charging money for the Suttas, printing and distribution does cost money. Wisdom Publications also do need to cover their expenses and pay their employees (who aren't monastics and have to pay for food, housing and other basic necessities).

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Post by theY » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:35 pm

TIPITAKA Volume 22 : PALI ROMAN
Sutta Pitaka Vol 14 : Sutta. Aṅ. (3): pañcaka-chakkanipātā
120–​139. Bhal­li­kādi­sutta
“Chahi, bhikkhave, dhammehi samannāgato bhalliko gahapati … pe … sudatto gahapati anāthapiṇḍiko … citto gahapati macchi­kāsaṇḍiko … hatthako āḷavako … mahānāmo sakko … uggo gahapati vesāliko … uggato gahapati … sūrambaṭṭho … jīvako komārabhacco … nakulapitā gahapati … tavakaṇṇiko gahapati … pūraṇo gahapati … isidatto gahapati … sandhāno gahapati … vicayo gahapati … vijayamāhiko gahapati … meṇḍako gahapati … vāseṭṭho upāsako … ariṭṭho upāsako … sāraggo upāsako tathāgate niṭṭhaṅgato amataddaso amataṃ sacchikatvā iriyati.
There are 6 elements being inside bhalliko gahapati...pe... sudatto gahapati anāthapiṇḍiko … citto gahapati macchi­kāsaṇḍiko … hatthako āḷavako … mahānāmo sakko … uggo gahapati vesāliko … uggato gahapati … sūrambaṭṭho … jīvako komārabhacco … nakulapitā gahapati … tavakaṇṇiko gahapati … pūraṇo gahapati … isidatto gahapati … sandhāno gahapati … vicayo gahapati … vijayamāhiko gahapati … meṇḍako gahapati … vāseṭṭho upāsako … ariṭṭho upāsako … sāraggo upāsako

, who completely decided (to faith) in tathāgata, saw amata (no death=nibbāna), and enlightened amata then living.
Katamehi chahi? Buddhe aveccap­pasā­dena, dhamme aveccap­pasā­dena, saṃghe aveccap­pasā­dena, ariyena sīlena, ariyena ñāṇena, ariyāya vimuttiyā. Imehi kho, bhikkhave, chahi dhammehi samannāgato sāraggo upāsako tathāgate niṭṭhaṅgato amataddaso amataṃ sacchikatvā iriyatī”ti.
How about 6 elements?

1. (Perfect) trusting without doubt in buddhā.
2. (Perfect) trusting without doubt in dhamma.
3. (Perfect) trusting without doubt in saṅghā. (Vicikiccha-sanyojana cessation)
4. Ariya's sīla (noble one's morality). (Silabbataparamasa-sanyojana cessation)
5. Ariya's ñāṇa (noble one's understanding). (Sakkayaditthi-sanyojana cessation;magga-ñāṇa)
5. Ariya's vimutti (noble one's liberation). (phala-ñāṇa)

Those are 6 elements being inside sāraggo upāsako, who completely decided (to faith) in tathāgata, saw amata (no death=nibbāna), and enlightened amata then living.

pāli: http://84000.org/tipitaka/pitaka_item/r ... 8&items=14
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