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Re: Pali pronunciation

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:59 am

not sure why aspirate/non-aspirate non important just because some people don't do it right.
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Are there any rules for which syllable of a Pali word is stressed? For example using words I've heard pronounced, "vipassana" is 3rd to last syllable, but gacchami is 2nd to last.
vipassanā and gacchāmi that will tell you how those are stressed, but i also would like to know the rule for stress. i have this guide right here it might be in there? https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/04/22/ ... g-pali.pdf
there's also pali primer in two versions http://pali.pratyeka.org/ https://www.budsas.org/uni/u-palicb/e00.htm
me i am just picking up bits and pieces still haven't made a commitment, but if i could confidently pronounce any word then i think i'd be more eager to learn
what about words like anusaya or aṅguttara where all the vowels are short
why nikāya but not anusāya
what about sāvatthī, two stresses in the same word? does a long vowel automatically mean the stress is there; my background is in spanish so i have maybe some unpacked assumptions
i can pronounce dhammacakkappavattana and yathābhūtañāṇadassana i think
e and o are short before some double consonants and consonant clusters but long otherwise. i like this site btw, but in this image are these words just pronounced that way for the rhythm of a chant http://chantpali.org/homage.html#buddhagunavandana

just noticed that binocular also said she learns hearing others speak it. neat
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Re: Pali pronunciation

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:05 am

lokavidū
sādhu, why is the u not long on that second one
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Re: Pali pronunciation

Post by Stiphan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:35 pm

I am lucky I am Bulgarian in that Bulgarian pronunciation is closer to Pāḷi than English, being 'harder'. It's almost the same actually. There are additional sounds not present in Bulgarian like ṭ, ḍ, ṅ, and ṇ, but I think I can pronounce them if I knew exactly how they sound. Bulgarian is also similar to Pāḷi in that each letter signifies a sound. The only problem with Pāḷi pronunciation I have is where to put the stress on. I don't think there's a set rule, is there?
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Re: Pali pronunciation

Post by Dmytro » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:35 pm

Stiphan wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:35 pm
I am lucky I am Bulgarian in that Bulgarian pronunciation is closer to Pāḷi than English, being 'harder'. It's almost the same actually.
Yes, quite similar, in Ukrainian as well.
The only problem with Pāḷi pronunciation I have is where to put the stress on. I don't think there's a set rule, is there?
There are some rules. Here's what Bhante Dhammanando wrote me many years ago:

http://wiki.audtip.org/wiki/pali/pali-p ... s_emphasis
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Pal ... topics/847

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Re: Pali pronunciation

Post by Stiphan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:16 pm

Thank you for the links, Dmytro! I think all Slavic languages have very similar pronunciation to each other, and maybe all of them may be closer to the Indian Prakrit languages Sanskrit and Pāḷi (I don't know how Hindi sounds) than the Germanic languages. I think Italians and Spaniards might also find pronouncing Pāḷi easy, though.
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