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Seeing he seeth not

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:06 pm

Uddaka the son of Rama, Cunda, used to say: ‘Seeing he seeth not.’

And on seeing what does one not see?

Of a well sharpened razor one sees the blade, but one does not see the edge.

This is what he meant.

And a low pagan thing was this that he spoke, unworthy, unprofitable, suitable to the worldly majority, about a razor forsooth.

Now were one to wish to use rightly that phrase, ‘Seeing he does not see,’ it is thus that he should say: ‘Seeing he seeth not.’

But what is it that seeing he does not see?

A religion that is in every way successful, in every respect complete, neither defective nor redundant, well set forth in all its full extent: ­ this is what he sees.

Were he to abstract some feature at a given point, thinking to make it clearer, then he does not see it.

Were he to fill in some feature at a given point, thinking to make it more complete then he does not see it, and thus seeing he seeth not.

Hence, Cunda, if anyone wishing to describe a religion in every way successful, in every respect complete, neither defective nor redundant, well set forth in all its full extent, were to be speaking rightly, it is this religion of which he should speak.

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"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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Re: Seeing he seeth not

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:09 pm

i wasn't sure where to post this sutta because i dont quite see a place where one just posts a sutta

But I, Cunda, the teacher am now grown old, many are the nights I have known, long is it since I went forth, I have reached full age, l have come to my journey’s end.

Yet senior bhikkhus of mine are there, Cunda, who are disciples, wise and well trained, ready and learned, who have won the peace of the Arahant, who are able to propagate the good Norm [the Dhamma], who when others start opposed doctrine, easy to confute by the truth, will be able in confuting it to teach the Norm and its saving grace.

And bhikkhus of middle age and standing now are there, Cunda; disciples of mine and wise.

And novices now are there, Cunda, disciples of mine.

And senior Sisters now are there, Cunda, disciples of mine.

And Sisters of middle age and standing now are there, Cunda, and novices also, disciples of mine.

And lay­men now are there, Cunda, householders of the white robe, men of holy life, disciples of mine; and among these are men of wealth.

Laywomen now are there, Cunda, householders of the white robe, disciples of mine; and among these are women of wealth.

And my religion, Cunda, is successful, prosperous, widespread and popular in all its full extent, well proclaimed among men.

To what extent, Cunda, there now are teachers arisen in the world, I cannot discern any teacher, who has attained to such a leading position in renown and support as I have.

To what extent, Cunda, there now are Orders and companies arisen in the world, I cannot discern any one that has attained to such a leading position in renown and support as the Order of Bhikkhus.

If anyone, in describing a religion as in every way successful, in every respect complete, neither defective nor redundant, well set forth in all its full extent, were to be speaking rightly, it is this religion that he would be describing.
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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Re: Seeing he seeth not

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:11 pm

here, instead of pasting
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

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http://seeingthroughthenet.net/
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