Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

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Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

Post by DooDoot » Tue May 21, 2019 3:38 am

Dear forum

What is the Pali reference/source of the common mudita chant:
Sabbe satta

Ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu

May all beings

Not be parted from the good fortune they have attained
Often, it is said the above "mudita" reflection is an antidote for "envy" or "jealousy"; however the suttas appear to say "mudita" is an antidote for "discontent" ("arati").
MN 62 wrote:Meditate on rejoicing.
Muditaṃ, rāhula, bhāvanaṃ bhāvehi.

For when you meditate on rejoicing any negativity will be given up.
Muditañhi te, rāhula, bhāvanaṃ bhāvayato yā arati sā pahīyissati.

https://suttacentral.net/mn62/en/sujato
SN 46.2 wrote:And what fuels the arising of dullness and drowsiness, or, when it has arisen, makes it increase and grow?
Ko ca, bhikkhave, āhāro anuppannassa vā thinamiddhassa uppādāya, uppannassa vā thinamiddhassa bhiyyobhāvāya vepullāya?

There is discontent, sloth, yawning, sleepiness after eating, and mental sluggishness.
Atthi, bhikkhave, arati tandi vijambhitā bhattasammado cetaso ca līnattaṃ.

https://suttacentral.net/sn46.2/en/sujato
Thank you

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Re: Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

Post by Pulsar » Wed May 22, 2019 12:13 pm

DooDoot, thanks for asking, so timely
your inquiry of Mudita. :candle:

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Re: Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

Post by Pulsar » Fri May 24, 2019 8:14 pm

you wrote DooDoot,
"Often, it is said the above "mudita" reflection is an antidote for "envy" or "jealousy"; however the suttas appear to say "mudita" is an antidote for "discontent"

but in a sense, they are not any different, the person who is content has no envy or jealousy towards another, he is content with what he has.
I fed mudita into the search tool that Srilankaputra provided.
It came up with this sutta on three Assemblies,
AN3.95
Give it a read, in the sutta, the third assembly is embedded in mudita, here folks live in harmony, viewing each other with eyes of affection.
an excerpt on the third assembly, a bit modified.
living like this they generate much merit.On that occasion one dwells in a divine abode, that is in the liberation of mind through altruistic joy.
When one is joyful, rapture arises. For one with a rapturous mind, the body becomes tranquil, one tranquil in body feels pleasure. For one feeling pleasure, the mind becomes concentrated
Cultivation of Muditha is added bonus, it facilitates entry into jhanic modes,
as are the other divine abodes, when cultivated immeasurably.

The search tool turned out to be tremendously helpful, to solve some stuff that had riddled me before.

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Re: Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

Post by DooDoot » Sat May 25, 2019 12:26 am

Pulsar wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 8:14 pm
AN 3.95 Give it a read
Thank you Pulsar. I have already read this sutta, which I regard as not directly relevant to my question. Kind regards :smile:
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Re: Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

Post by sentinel » Sat May 25, 2019 3:05 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 3:38 am
Dear forum

What is the Pali reference/source of the common mudita chant:
Sabbe satta

Ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu

May all beings

Not be parted from the good fortune they have attained
Often, it is said the above "mudita" reflection is an antidote for "envy" or "jealousy"; however the suttas appear to say "mudita" is an antidote for "discontent" ("arati").
MN 62 wrote:Meditate on rejoicing.
Muditaṃ, rāhula, bhāvanaṃ bhāvehi.

For when you meditate on rejoicing any negativity will be given up.
Muditañhi te, rāhula, bhāvanaṃ bhāvayato yā arati sā pahīyissati.

https://suttacentral.net/mn62/en/sujato
SN 46.2 wrote:And what fuels the arising of dullness and drowsiness, or, when it has arisen, makes it increase and grow?
Ko ca, bhikkhave, āhāro anuppannassa vā thinamiddhassa uppādāya, uppannassa vā thinamiddhassa bhiyyobhāvāya vepullāya?

There is discontent, sloth, yawning, sleepiness after eating, and mental sluggishness.
Atthi, bhikkhave, arati tandi vijambhitā bhattasammado cetaso ca līnattaṃ.

https://suttacentral.net/sn46.2/en/sujato
Thank you

:smile:
Hi DD ,

I don't know Pali but here's how I understand it .
But I do refer to the parallel .
MN62 & SN46.2 both context is about meditation . Mudita or Joy often it's antidote taken as envy (or discontent) / arati .
Actually , the meaning of Arati should be disinterested or feeling boring .
If a person feel boring or disinterested with practice , it would be difficult to develop Joy .
I hope this sort out the mistake all along .

Regards .
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Re: Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

Post by DooDoot » Sat May 25, 2019 10:04 pm

sentinel wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 3:05 pm
If a person feel boring or disinterested with practice , it would be difficult to develop Joy .
Sure & thanks but the suttas I have read refer to "rejoicing in the Dhamma" to abandon internal personal "discontent".

Where as the phrase "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" is an outward expression towards others.

The topic is: "Where in the Tripitaka is the phrase ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu found"?

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Re: Source of mudita "ma laddhasampattito vigacchantu" chant ???

Post by bhante dhamma » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:45 am

For mudita its normally this...

When he has gone forth, he dwells pervading one quarter with a mind imbued with loving-kindness, likewise the second quarter, the third quarter, and the fourth quarter. Thus above, below, across, and everywhere, and to all as to himself, he dwells pervading the entire world with a mind imbued with loving-kindness, vast, exalted, measureless, without enmity, without ill will. He dwells pervading one quarter with a mind imbued with compassion … with a mind imbued with altruistic joy … with a mind imbued with equanimity, likewise the second quarter, the third quarter, and the fourth quarter. Thus above, below, across, and everywhere, and to all as to himself, he dwells pervading the entire world with a mind imbued with equanimity, vast, exalted, measureless, without enmity, without ill will. Having developed these four divine abodes,1186 with the breakup of the body, after death, he is reborn in a good destination, in the brahmā world. In this way a brahmin is similar to Brahmā.
AN 5.192

The phrase 'laddhā sampatitto mā vigacchantu' is from the five subjects for frequent recollection, it's in most chanting books, but it's not an absolute thing, i.e only this verse this is for mudita, as long as there is 'kusala dhamma upanna,' then it fulfills the magg'aṇga of sammā diṭṭhi vā sammā vāyāma vā sammā sati.

The 'mā vigacchantu' part is in the middle somewhere..

Pañca-paccavekkhana paṭha

Bhyādi..jarā..maraṇā...dhammomhi bhyadiṃ **/** anatīto
All beings are if the nature to sicken, age, die
sabbe sattā sukhīta hontu
May all be happy
Sabbe sattā averā hontu
Free from enmity
Sabbe sattā anīghā hontu
free frkm trouble
Sabbe sattā sukhī attānaṃ pariharatu
May all beings be happy
Kammassakā
All beings are the owners of their actions
Kammadāyada
Heirs to their kamma
Kammayoni
Born of their kamma
Kammabandhu
Related to their kamma
Kammapaṭisarana
Protected by their kamma
Yam kammam kar'issanti
Whatever kamma they shall do
Kalyanam pāpakaṃ for good or eveil
Tassdāyada bhavissāmī ti
Of that they will be the heirs

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