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Giving alms to other traditions

Post by TRobinson465 » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:43 am

Hello,

I remember reading something a while ago about the Buddha allowing one of his monk's family members to give alms to another religious tradition or something. Does this ring a bell to anybody? Does anybody know if this story is true and if so can someone provide the sutta where its mentioned? Much appreciated. :anjali:
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"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by Volovsky » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:15 am

In MN 56 a householer Upali, who previously was a follower of Jains became Buddha's follower. The Buddha advised him to consider to support jains:
Householder, your family has long supported the Nigaṇṭhas and you should consider that alms should be given to them when they come.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by DooDoot » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:21 am

Volovsky wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:15 am
In MN 56 a householer Upali, who previously was a follower of Jains became Buddha's follower. The Buddha advised him to consider to support jains:
But Upali attained stream-entry and thus independence from the Teacher. I recall Upali did not follow the advice of the Buddha.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by TRobinson465 » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:48 am

Volovsky wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:15 am
In MN 56 a householer Upali, who previously was a follower of Jains became Buddha's follower. The Buddha advised him to consider to support jains:
Householder, your family has long supported the Nigaṇṭhas and you should consider that alms should be given to them when they come.
Thats the one i was looking for!!! Thank you very much! :anjali:
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by Volovsky » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:25 am

DooDoot wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:21 am
But Upali attained stream-entry and thus independence from the Teacher. I recall Upali did not follow the advice of the Buddha.
According to the sutta he did:
Then the householder Upāli, having delighted and rejoiced in the Blessed One’s words, rose from his seat, and after paying homage to the Blessed One, keeping him on his right, he left to return to his own house. There he addressed the doorkeeper thus: “Good doorkeeper, from today on I close my door to the Nigaṇṭhas and the Nigaṇṭhīs, and I open my door to the Blessed One’s bhikkhus, bhikkhunīs, men lay followers, and women lay followers. If any Nigaṇṭha comes, then tell him thus: ‘Wait, venerable sir, do not enter. From today on the householder Upāli has gone over to discipleship under the recluse Gotama. He has closed his door to the Nigaṇṭhas and Nigaṇṭhīs, and he has opened it to the Blessed One’s bhikkhus, bhikkhunīs, men lay followers, and women lay followers. Venerable sir, if you need alms, wait here; they will bring it to you here.’”

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by DooDoot » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:53 am

Volovsky wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:25 am
According to the sutta he did...
OK... i must have missed that part. However, the important message is to "not open the door of the house" to the other traditions; thus do not let them influence the mind. I suppose they can be fed with physical food; like feeding a hungry animal or ordinary person.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by dharmacorps » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:32 pm

I have read several stories of muslim families in SE Asia giving alms to Buddhist monks. Its considered good neighborly conduct/community participation and I am sure the Buddha would approve of it as an act of generosity, if one feels moved to give, one should do so.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:11 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:32 pm
I have read several stories of muslim families in SE Asia giving alms to Buddhist monks. Its considered good neighborly conduct/community participation and I am sure the Buddha would approve of it as an act of generosity, if one feels moved to give, one should do so.
For what it's worth, I agree too. If someone, or some group, is doing good things they are worthy of our support - especially in non-Buddhist countries, where opportunities for dana to Buddhist groups may be quite limited.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by SarathW » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:42 pm

If someone, or some group, is doing good things they are worthy of our support
Agree.
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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by TRobinson465 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:42 am

Yes the buddha didn't say to only give to his sangha. Those who say he did misrepresent him. What he said is giving to those who are worthy and virtuous is most fruitful.
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Giving alms to other traditions

Post by SarathW » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:58 am

The Magha Sutta (Sn.p.86) gives a detailed account of the virtues of the arahant to show to whom alms should be offered by one desiring merit. The Brahmanasamyutta (S.i,175) maintains that offerings bear greatest results when they are made to those who know their previous lives, who have seen heavens and hells, who have put an end to birth and who have realized ultimate knowledge.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... el367.html
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