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Readily seen by the wise etc

Post by phil » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:46 pm

Hi all

Google is not helping me find this because I can't remember the key words, but

1) what is the formula used in the discourses for something that is readily seen by the wise, inviting one to affirm the Dhamma, something like that.

2) what are the teachings this formula is used for?

3) What does it indicate about the centrality/importance or accesssability of those teachings?

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(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: Readily seen by the wise etc

Post by retrofuturist » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:49 pm

Greetings Phil,
phil wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:46 pm

1) what is the formula used in the discourses for something that is readily seen by the wise, inviting one to affirm the Dhamma, something like that.
Are you asking about this...?

"Well-proclaimed, truly, is this Lord’s Teaching, visible here and now, timeless, inviting inspection, leading onward, to be realised by the wise each one for himself" (DN 19, amongst others)

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Readily seen by the wise etc

Post by DooDoot » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:13 am

phil wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:46 pm
1) what is the formula used in the discourses for something that is readily seen by the wise, inviting one to affirm the Dhamma, something like that.
The formula is:

Svākkhāto bhagavatā dhammo sandiṭṭhiko akāliko ehipassiko opaneyyiko paccattaṃ veditabbo viññūhīti

The Dhamma is well expounded by the Blessed One, directly visible, immediate, inviting one to come and see, applicable, to be personally experienced by the wise.

phil wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:46 pm
2) what are the teachings this formula is used for?
The formula is probably used for those teachings that can be directly experienced therefore probably not for teachings that require unverified faith. For example:

* Knowing greed, hatred & delusion & their absence: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

* Knowing has greed, hatred & delusion lead to affliction: https://suttacentral.net/en/an3.53

* Knowing craving arising with sense experience: https://suttacentral.net/en/sn35.70

* Knowing dependent origination: https://suttacentral.net/en/mn38 (paragraph SC 59)
phil wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:46 pm
3) What does it indicate about the centrality/importance or accesssability of those teachings?
The formula is used in the suttas to define the Dhamma as a Triple Refuge: https://suttacentral.net/en/sn11.3.

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Re: Readily seen by the wise etc

Post by paul » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:23 am

"He is endowed with verified confidence in the Dhamma: 'The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One, to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the wise for themselves."

This formula is the basis for The Recollection of the Dhamma (Vism. VII, 68), which is one of the forty meditation subjects. It constitutes the description of one of the Four Limbs of a Stream-enterer (AN 10.92), where it is directly related to the cutting of the fetter of doubt.

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Re: Readily seen by the wise etc

Post by phil » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:16 pm

Thank you Paul, Paul and DooDoot for your very helpful explanations.
Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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