Ordination & Debt

A forum for members who wish to develop a deeper understanding of the Pali Canon and associated Commentaries, which for discussion purposes are both treated as authoritative.

Moderator: Mahavihara moderator

Post Reply
User avatar
dylanj
Posts: 664
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:48 am
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Ordination & Debt

Post by dylanj » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:06 am

I completed 2.5 years of university & accumulated quite a bit of debt in the process. I dropped out after this time because I had decided I wish to ordain & did not want to accumulate more debt. I know ordainees are expected to not have unpaid debts, but I am not sure what the specific requirements & conditions are. I would ordain by the end of this year if I could. But if I have to pay off all my debt beforehand I am not sure if I will ever be able to. Any information regarding what constitutes debt as a prohibition of ordination is much appreciated.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

Derek
Posts: 112
Joined: Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:31 pm

Re: Ordination & Debt

Post by Derek » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:34 am

It's in the Vinaya / Khandhaka / Mahāvagga / Iṇāyikavatthu:

“Na, bhikkhave, iṇāyiko pabbājetabbo. Yo pabbājeyya, āpatti dukkaṭassā”ti.

[The Buddha] said: “Monks, a debtor should not be let go forth. Whoever should let (one such) go forth, there is an offence of wrong-doing.”

https://suttacentral.net/en/pi-tv-kd1

User avatar
Dhammarakkhito
Posts: 984
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:31 am
Contact:

Re: Ordination & Debt

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:59 am

is the context not important here? the debtor (http://dictionary.sutta.org/browse/i/i% ... %C4%81yiko) in this case had run away and was probably some sort of indentured servant; "Now at that time a certain man, a debtor, having run away, came to have gone forth among the monks. The creditors, having seen (him), spoke thus: “This is our very debtor. Come along, let us bring him (back).”"
in my country (and the op's) a financial institution cannot imprison someone who has failed to pay a debt; they can't collect money from you if you aren't working.. you would only be required to make payments (working or not) if it were a court-ordered payment such as for one who's on parole.

furthermore, the story of a debtor is sandwiched between the story of a branded man and one of a slave; also in that section there are the story of a scourged man, one of a thief with a wanted notice and one of a thief who has broken out of jail. is the context clearer now? there is little danger for the saṅgha to accept someone who simply has failed to make student loan payments ((imo they're designed to be nigh unpayable)), as opposed to harboring fugitives
Attachments
Screen Shot 2017-10-24 at 03.59.37.png
Screen Shot 2017-10-24 at 03.59.37.png (42.49 KiB) Viewed 579 times
Screen Shot 2017-10-24 at 03.57.10.png
Screen Shot 2017-10-24 at 03.57.10.png (169.11 KiB) Viewed 579 times
Screen Shot 2017-10-24 at 03.45.03.png
Screen Shot 2017-10-24 at 03.45.03.png (110.55 KiB) Viewed 579 times
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

https://www.facebook.com/noblebuddhadha ... 34/?type=3

http://seeingthroughthenet.net/
https://sites.google.com/site/santipada ... allytaught

User avatar
Dhammarakkhito
Posts: 984
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:31 am
Contact:

Re: Ordination & Debt

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:05 am

"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
— Ud 5.5

https://www.facebook.com/noblebuddhadha ... 34/?type=3

http://seeingthroughthenet.net/
https://sites.google.com/site/santipada ... allytaught

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests