How to make realizations non-impermanent?

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thang
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How to make realizations non-impermanent?

Post by thang » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:35 pm

I have three categories of questions which I think very important.

(1)
When we realizing Dhamma facts in ordinary mind, we experience that gained wisdom disappears and re-emerges in our minds time to time. That average wisdom about the realized fact gradually deacays over time if we don't re-contemplate it regularly. So we can conclude that ordinary mind's realizations are subject to impermanence.

Should a person have to realize and know Dhamma facts until the realization/knowledge becomes non-impermanent?
Although he gained some wisdom, how this wisdom become non-impermanent?
How can he make this wisdom non-impermanent?

(2)
What should he contemplate? (after attaining Jhanas)
Should he contemplate dependent-origination and realize that all the things are dependently originated in order to realize Anicca-Dukkha-Anatta?
Or mere Anicca-Dukkha-Anatta contemplation is enough?

(2)
Should he need to realize everything (every-necessary-thing) before liberation?
Is that means he needs more time (may be lifetimes) than he thought, in order to completely know and understand everything?

What do you think about the following excerpts related to knowing everything?
“Mendicants, without directly knowing and completely understanding the all, without dispassion for it and giving it up, you can’t end suffering."
"Bhikkhus, whatever the Tathāgata speaks, _ all that is just so and NOT otherwise."

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Re: How to make realizations non-impermanent?

Post by cappuccino » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:52 am

thang wrote:How can he make this wisdom non-impermanent?
it's like drops in a bucket, eventually it will be full, even from drops

the drops are insight about impermanence, as well as good will
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Re: How to make realizations non-impermanent?

Post by thang » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:31 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:52 am
it's like drops in a bucket, eventually it will be full, even from drops

It's true.
But do you have any idea about how it will not fade after being full?
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Re: How to make realizations non-impermanent?

Post by cappuccino » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:32 pm

like ice, identity will melt

desire & aversion fade away, evaporate

this will be resisted, at times, & welcome, at times
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Re: How to make realizations non-impermanent?

Post by SarathW » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:57 pm

The way I understand when you become Sotapanna, the Nibbana is assured.
So you have to be a Sotapanna at least.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: How to make realizations non-impermanent?

Post by Bundokji » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:39 pm

I would not call them realizations. The contemplation of impermanence and the emptiness of phenomena increases one's creativity in providing theories or explanations that appears to him to be inline with the Buddha's teachings, and yet, he would still be deceived that he came up with something original/of value hence he tries to hold into it, calls it a realization and accumulate instead of letting go.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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Re: How to make realizations non-impermanent?

Post by Lankamed » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:32 am

1) Without typing a extensive answer, Insight gained will not fade over time. That doesn't mean insight is permanent. It just means your yardsticks of the "world" will gradually change. Nithya, Sukha, Athma slowly change in to Anithya, Dhukka, Anathma. Once this process is complete you would have gained perfection.

It's like this, we have been using available tools to incorrectly measure the "world". We are so immersed in these measurements and subsequent processes that we never think of double checking said measurements.

Insight slowly shows the error of our ways. To put it short, cultivation of "Sati" leads to see the errors of our ways. Yogi starts to see things as they are and will not take things to be nithya, Sukha, Athma.

2) I am a Sathipattana practitioner. So I do not know about jhanic experiences. What a Sathipattana practitioner do is he observes(atapi sampajano satima) phenomenon without clinging.
Exerting this way nature of things (thrilakshana/three marks of existence) will be evident to him.

3) I don't think we need to realize "everything" but necessary things to the path we have choosen.

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