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Coëmgenu wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:14 pm
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icyteru wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:36 am you can read it in my blog. :anjali:
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Sam Vara wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:41 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:14 pm
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If such is the case it is prudent that the moderators remove this old link, I will notify them.
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Can free download it here:

Kathāvatthu, PTS translation:
Points of Controversy or Subjects of Discourse:
(Book 5 of the Abhidhamma-piṭaka)
Translated by Shwe Zan Aung and Mrs. Rhys Davids, Pali Text Society
PDF in new layout, searchable, and with links:
www.abhidhamma.com/Kathavatthu_en.pdf

This is the Commentary for Kathavathu, it is called "Kathavathuppakarana Atthakatha".
https://thienvipassana.net/wp-content/u ... entary.pdf

I find it very interesting and certainly educational. If anyone interested to know how Theravada is different from other Buddhist schools and what orthodox view is, Kathāvatthu is a must.

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Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.

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I find it very interesting and certainly educational. If anyone interested to know how Theravada is different from other Buddhist schools and what orthodox view is, Kathāvatthu is a must.
What specifically did you find useful about this text? I'll be using a print version if I read it again.
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simsapa wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:33 pm
I find it very interesting and certainly educational. If anyone interested to know how Theravada is different from other Buddhist schools and what orthodox view is, Kathāvatthu is a must.
What specifically did you find useful about this text? I'll be using a print version if I read it again.
So you read it before? The last sentence indicated that you read it before. I think PDF version is better, it has Searchable function.

Imo, the benefits of reading it for me:
1) Understand the teachings and main standpoint of each Early Buddhism schools, after breaking off from original stock of Orthodox Sangha.

2) Understand the teachings of orthodox Sangha group, which later gave a term to be used as description: Vibhajjavada or "The Doctrine of Analysis" (now we call it Theravada) and how it different from other schools.

3) Investigate the argument by Puggalavada and Theravada's refutation for "Puggala" or "Soul" as a reality. Knowing how from sheer literal reading of Suttas without wise consideration might give rise to misinterpretation.

4) Able to investigate arguments on some interesting topics such as "Is Arahant not perfect yet?", "Is there an Antarabhava stage?", "Is there a possibility for Arahant to ejaculate?", "The Devas are capable for further development or not?", "There are six realms of existence or not?", etc. These topics are quite fundamental where comes to learn Buddhism in details.
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.

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Yes, I've read some of the PTS print edition at my local temple. I could not understand what it was trying to convey. A fully annotated version with historical context would be a great resource for me.
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Ontheway wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:57 am 3) Investigate the argument by Puggalavada and Theravada's refutation for "Puggala" or "Soul" as a reality. Knowing how from sheer literal reading of Suttas without wise consideration might give rise to misinterpretation.
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It may be the foremost point, since the the first and largest section of the book has been reserved for it.
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