anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Discussion of Abhidhamma and related Commentaries

Moderator: Mahavihara moderator

User avatar
robertk
Posts: 2915
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:08 am

Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Post by robertk » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:27 am

Try focussing on any part of the body or breath or feelings now. Very easy to do isn't it. Anyone, even a child, can do it.

But it is very different for genuine sati samajana to be present.

Dinsdale
Posts: 5980
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:32 am
Location: Andromeda looks nice

Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:52 am

robertk wrote:But it is very different for genuine sati samajana to be present.
So sati sampajana is a "result" of sati?
Buddha save me from new-agers!

User avatar
robertk
Posts: 2915
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:08 am

Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Post by robertk » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:00 am

Sati and sampajana arise together.
In the context of satipatthana it always talks about sati-sampajana and sampajana means non- delusion or wisdom, specifically that right ipunderstanding that only a buddha can teach: anatta.

Sati can arise without sampajana but in that case it is not the sati of satipatthana. Moreover - sanna- which may arise with kusala or akusala can arise without sati but if course it still marks hardness, heat, pain etc: thus the common mistake of doing some techique where on focuses on some part of the body thinking that there is sati when it it is merely sanna.

Dinsdale
Posts: 5980
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:32 am
Location: Andromeda looks nice

Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Post by Dinsdale » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:43 pm

robertk wrote:Sati and sampajana arise together.
In the context of satipatthana it always talks about sati-sampajana...
Robert, could you say exactly what you're basing this assertion on? When I read the Satipatthana Sutta I see both sati and sati-sampajana being described.
Buddha save me from new-agers!

dhamma follower
Posts: 353
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:48 am

Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Post by dhamma follower » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:58 am

porpoise wrote:
SamKR wrote:Why would then the Buddha say these:
"And what is right mindfulness? There is the case where a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... the mind in & of itself... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. This is called right mindfulness...
Passages like this do give the distinct impression of sati as an activity rather than as a result of practice.
Greeting Porpoise,

What is an "activity" in terms of paramatha dhammas?

Best regards,
D.F

Dinsdale
Posts: 5980
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:32 am
Location: Andromeda looks nice

Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Post by Dinsdale » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:14 am

dhamma follower wrote:
porpoise wrote:Passages like this do give the distinct impression of sati as an activity rather than as a result of practice.
Greeting Porpoise,

What is an "activity" in terms of paramatha dhammas?
I'm not sure - do you know?
Buddha save me from new-agers!

dhamma follower
Posts: 353
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:48 am

Re: anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

Post by dhamma follower » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:53 am

porpoise wrote:
dhamma follower wrote:
porpoise wrote:Passages like this do give the distinct impression of sati as an activity rather than as a result of practice.
Greeting Porpoise,

What is an "activity" in terms of paramatha dhammas?
I'm not sure - do you know?
Dear Porpoise,

As far as I understand, "activity" is perceived by memory of momentary arising and falling of cittas, just like story appearing on the movie screen are actually 24 images succeeding each other.

Because of delusion, moha, we believe that there is someone doing some activity. In reality, there are only successions of cittas arising and falling by conditions. Sati is a cetasika which may or may not accompany a particular citta, by conditions, nothing to do with an activity.

When we read a sutta, we might read it with our habitual, deluded understanding, then the path taught by the Buddha is not known. But the Buddha has taught us right view, i.e right understanding about realities. Without that right understanding, we might read Tipitaka maintaining our delusion and "self-view".

Best regards,
D.F

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests