SarathW wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:03 am
Why can't you practice Metta in first Jhana?
You find wholesome Vitakka and Vicara in first Jhana.
That's the whole point of my thread.
In EBT sutta, and even in Vimt., which uses an earlier less corrupt form of Abhidhamma,
the 3 samma sankappa's correspond to the 3 right thoughts, one of which is abyapada vitakka, "good will thoughts".
Canonical Abhidhamma, and in Vimt., it doesn't segregate that abyapada vitakka into access concentration. It's part of first jhana.
It's only in vism. that the segregation takes place.
And as you can see, the best that they can do to explain (Volo and no other Abhidhamma experts have spoken up so far) is quote some scripture that doesn't make any sense. How can one be doing metta in first jhana if one is frozen in the vism. jhana appana samadhi, unable to examine phenomena, who they're directing metta to, and what direction, etc.?
RobertK? Ven. Dhammanando?
In private message, I asked Ven. Dhammando a related question about vitakka in first 2 books of Abhidhamma, and he has so far not responded to that either. It's not looking good for Abhidhamma, and I am asking this on the Abhidhamma forum, if one can not explain basic principles that don't see to be consistent or coherent.