Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

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Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by Dhammanando » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:22 pm

A very fine exposition given by Canadian Abhidhamma student Rob Moult at the request of the Buddhist Gem Fellowship.


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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by sunnat » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:27 am

Thank you, well worth watching, closely studying. Note how it is at feelings that the opportunity to step off the wheel of becoming is presented.

From a footnote in the Venerable Ledi Sayadaw's The Noble Eightfold Path and its Factors Explained : "Note that kamma means action, not the fruit of action as when people say, "it's my kamma". This reduces the teaching of kamma to mere fatalism."

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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by cappuccino » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:56 am

The slightest of all the results coming from drinking fermented & distilled liquors is that, when one becomes a human being, it leads to mental derangement.
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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by Grigoris » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:30 pm

sunnat wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:27 am
Thank you, well worth watching, closely studying. Note how it is at feelings that the opportunity to step off the wheel of becoming is presented.

From a footnote in the Venerable Ledi Sayadaw's The Noble Eightfold Path and its Factors Explained : "Note that kamma means action, not the fruit of action as when people say, "it's my kamma". This reduces the teaching of kamma to mere fatalism."
Experiencing kamma phala/vipakka is not fatalism.
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by sunnat » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:47 pm

Kamma phala and kamma vakka are not kamma. They are the fruit of kamma.

When the conditions are right the fruit manifests. That is the result of kamma.

A reaction to the result is kamma.

No reaction and the kamma fruit passes away without being mutiplied.

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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by Grigoris » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:11 pm

sunnat wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:47 pm
Kamma phala and kamma vakka are not kamma. They are the fruit of kamma.
Yeah, and?

What is your point?
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by sunnat » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:28 pm

My apologies. I thought you were making a point. :anjali:

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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by Grigoris » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:55 pm

sunnat wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:28 pm
My apologies. I thought you were making a point. :anjali:
Sorry, maybe I did not understand. Were you supporting my point?
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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Re: Clearing up Misconceptions about Kamma

Post by sunnat » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:18 pm

Yes. Looks like we both misunderstood in the same way. I was hedging my bets in case i wasn't misunderstanding. Interesting exchange. There is an unnecessary tendency for combativeness that sometimes pervades the forum. I'm not immune. I welcome opportunities to recognise and avoid it.

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