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One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:58 pm

Hello, please kindly suggest me some good books (or parts of books) on somewhat-detailed explanation of Patthana, [mainly or solely] in plain English.

I know next to nothing about abhidhamma apart from a few tiny bits of teachings here and there from some burmese & english books on abhidhammattha sangaha.

That said, i find this story encouraging:
Lithuanian nun Sayalay Piyadassii stayed at the center [of ven. Nandamala] for some time, and comments on her experience studying Abhidhamma here:
“After staying in Myanmar for more then a year it was inevitable that the mind became curious about Abhidhamma teachings. Slowly, slowly, reading a little bit here, a little bit there, listening Dhamma talks from one teacher and then another, some knowledge started to arise. And the mind became more and more fascinated with the topic. Especially when the information that slowly was being gathered started to make more and more sense, and even more than that, it brought a lot of clarity and understanding into the actual practice of the Dhamma. But it was not until the day when I had a fortune to join Ven. Sayadaw's course on the most deep and profound Abhiddhama book, Patthana, did the mind ever tried to understand that last, but most fascinating topic of relationships between different ultimate realities. While I was studying on my own this field always seemed so high, that I literary never thought I'd be ever able to comprehend even the 'ABC' of it. But believe it or not, after just two weeks of attending the classes which Sayadaw gave, I could say, 'Actually, it is not that difficult! At least the basics, we can understand!'…And it so rewarding!

But, I would like to give one warning to anyone who is considering to plunge into this most interesting field of Buddhist philosophy: if you learn Abhidhamma, the field of your Dhamma studies will narrow down a lot. And it is very much likely that the teachings that are not touching the roots, not touching the ultimate realities, will appear shallow. Mind will find it difficult to find satisfaction in such shallow teachings. And that will direct the mind towards the practices which actually deal with the Dhamma on a level of ultimate realities. The choice of where to go to practice in such case narrows down significantly, but there are places, and the experience of this deep and profound teachings is nothing that the words could possibly describe. Try it if you dare!
http://burmadhamma.blogspot.com/2016/04 ... -sein.html
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  • "the one thing all the mistaken views have in common is the assump­tion that the self exists" ~ DN1
  • "It is an entirely and perfectly foolish idea" ~ MN22
  • The No-self doctrine is found only in the teaching of the Buddha.
  • No-self (anatta) means that there is no permanent, unchanging entity in anything animate or inanimate. ~ SN22.59

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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by robertk » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:28 pm

I first read this outline almost 30 years ago, when it was in manuscript form .
https://archive.org/details/TheConditionalityOfLife

And yes, I think the more one learns about the Patthana the more one will see this and abhidhamma as the heart : because the teaching of anatta is the sole domain of Buddhas and their disciples.

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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:52 pm

robertk wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:28 pm
I first read this outline almost 30 years ago, when it was in manuscript form .
https://archive.org/details/TheConditionalityOfLife

And yes, I think the more one learns about the Patthana the more one will see this and abhidhamma as the heart : because the teaching of anatta is the sole domain of Buddhas and their disciples.
Thanks a lot. Very helpful. :bow:
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  • "the one thing all the mistaken views have in common is the assump­tion that the self exists" ~ DN1
  • "It is an entirely and perfectly foolish idea" ~ MN22
  • The No-self doctrine is found only in the teaching of the Buddha.
  • No-self (anatta) means that there is no permanent, unchanging entity in anything animate or inanimate. ~ SN22.59

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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by pitakele » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:35 pm

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:58 pm
Hello, please kindly suggest me some good books (or parts of books) on somewhat-detailed explanation of Patthana, [mainly or solely] in plain English.
There are many Patthāna study resources at http://patthana.net

Apart from texts, there are audio & video lectures in English
http://patthana.net/?page_id=78

& a video guide in English
http://patthana.net/?page_id=46
now here = nowhere

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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:59 am

pitakele wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:35 pm
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:58 pm
Hello, please kindly suggest me some good books (or parts of books) on somewhat-detailed explanation of Patthana, [mainly or solely] in plain English.
There are many Patthāna study resources at http://patthana.net

Apart from texts, there are audio & video lectures in English
http://patthana.net/?page_id=78

& a video guide in English
http://patthana.net/?page_id=46
:thanks: :thanks:
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  • "the one thing all the mistaken views have in common is the assump­tion that the self exists" ~ DN1
  • "It is an entirely and perfectly foolish idea" ~ MN22
  • The No-self doctrine is found only in the teaching of the Buddha.
  • No-self (anatta) means that there is no permanent, unchanging entity in anything animate or inanimate. ~ SN22.59

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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by befriend » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:51 am

Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.

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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by DooDoot » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:20 am

There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:19 pm

befriend wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:51 am
https://www.amazon.com/Just-Seeing-Insi ... 9552403200 This is an abhidhamma book.
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DooDoot wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:20 am
Patthana 1.1 Paccayuddesa.
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  • "the one thing all the mistaken views have in common is the assump­tion that the self exists" ~ DN1
  • "It is an entirely and perfectly foolish idea" ~ MN22
  • The No-self doctrine is found only in the teaching of the Buddha.
  • No-self (anatta) means that there is no permanent, unchanging entity in anything animate or inanimate. ~ SN22.59


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Re: One warning, ... Try it if you dare!

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:04 pm

:thanks:

And a few more sources found on patthana:
viewtopic.php?t=7990

Htoo Naing (a burmese name, whom i haven't known before)
https://sanskritdocuments.org/articles/ ... DHAMMA.pdf


Patthana (Conditional Relations Part I, tr. Ven. U Narada)
http://patthana.net/wp-content/uploads/ ... thana1.pdf
Patthana (Conditional Relations Part II, tr. Ven. U Narada)
http://patthana.net/wp-content/uploads/ ... thana2.pdf
Guide To Conditional Relations Part I -U Narada
http://www.kbrl.gov.mm/book/download/002198
Guide To Conditional Relations Part II -U Narada
http://www.kbrl.gov.mm/book/download/002137



Discerning Paṭṭhāna Conditions
Pa-Auk Tawya Sayadaw
http://paauktawyausa.org/wp-content/upl ... aymyo5.pdf



The Buddhist Philosophy of Relations: Paṭṭhānuddesa Dīpanī
by Ledi Sayādaw
https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books13/Led ... ations.pdf




topic for discussionson DW:

Discussions of the Patthana (1): Root Condition
viewtopic.php?t=8443

Discussions of the Patthana (2): Object-Condition
viewtopic.php?t=8446

Discussions of the Patthana (3): Predominance-Condition
viewtopic.php?t=8526





This paper on patthana seems interesting, from practical aspects.

https://www.academia.edu/12829375/The_P ... meditation
The Paṭṭhāna (Conditional Relations) and Buddhist Meditation: Application of the
Teachings in the Paṭṭhāna in Insight (Vipassanā) Meditation Practice

This paper will explore relevance and roles of Abhidhamma, Theravada philosophy, in meditation practices with reference to some modern Burmese meditation
traditions.
...
...
“Abhidhamma, in Ledi’s view, is a vital part of the practice of meditation which is open to all and from which all, at least to some degree, can benefit”. 9 Thus, Ledi Sayadaw and other meditation masters in contemporary Myanmar advocate people to learn the Abhidhamma teachings ...... "




another paper (need to download the whole issue/vol of journal) with some interesting pics and conclusion:

Cousins, Lance (1981) ‘The Patthana and the Development of the Theravdin Abhidhamma’. Journal of Pli Text Society. Vol. IX, pp. 22-46.
http://www.palitext.com/JPTS_scans/JPTS_1981_IX.pdf

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  • "the one thing all the mistaken views have in common is the assump­tion that the self exists" ~ DN1
  • "It is an entirely and perfectly foolish idea" ~ MN22
  • The No-self doctrine is found only in the teaching of the Buddha.
  • No-self (anatta) means that there is no permanent, unchanging entity in anything animate or inanimate. ~ SN22.59

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