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Abhidhamma Chant vs Abhidhamma

Post by TRobinson465 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:31 pm

Hi there,

So i am a little confused on this point, monks often chant the abhidhamma for various ceremonies. Namely this fairly short chant.

https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/ ... anting.htm

And then theres Abhidhamma that makes up the third basket of the Tripitaka consisting of like 7 books and is like 400 pages long. such as this

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf

Which is the real abhidhamma that the Buddha was supposed to have said? If it was just that short chant then i feel like it wouldnt have taken him a whole rainy season to say it when he was teaching it in Tavatimsa.

thanks in advance. :anjali:
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"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Abhidhamma Chant vs Abhidhamma

Post by SarathW » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:36 pm

Isn't this the same for four Nikaya that monks recite part of Sutta?
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Re: Abhidhamma Chant vs Abhidhamma

Post by Dhammanando » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:34 am

TRobinson465 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:31 pm
Hi there,

So i am a little confused on this point, monks often chant the abhidhamma for various ceremonies. Namely this fairly short chant.
What is chanted in that link is only a tiny portion of each of the Abhidhamma Piṭaka’s seven books. It comprises:

1. Dhammasaṅgaṇī: first paragraph after the conclusion of the mātikā (“matrix”, i.e. the opening summary of contents).

2. Vibhaṅga: first paragraph of the book.

3. Dhātukathā: first paragraph of the book.

4. Puggalapaññatti: first paragraph after the conclusion of the mātikā.

5. Kathāvatthu: a paragraph describing the Theravāda’s opening sally in the first debate against the Pudgalavādins.

6. Yamaka: first paragraph of the book.

7. Paṭṭhāna: just the mātikā.

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Re: Abhidhamma Chant vs Abhidhamma

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:43 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:34 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:31 pm
Hi there,

So i am a little confused on this point, monks often chant the abhidhamma for various ceremonies. Namely this fairly short chant.
What is chanted in that link is only a tiny portion of each of the Abhidhamma Piṭaka’s seven books. It comprises:

1. Dhammasaṅgaṇī: first paragraph after the conclusion of the mātikā (“matrix”, i.e. the opening summary of contents).

2. Vibhaṅga: first paragraph of the book.

3. Dhātukathā: first paragraph of the book.

4. Puggalapaññatti: first paragraph after the conclusion of the mātikā.

5. Kathāvatthu: a paragraph describing the Theravāda’s opening sally in the first debate against the Pudgalavādins.

6. Yamaka: first paragraph of the book.

7. Paṭṭhāna: just the mātikā.
Ohhh okay. Thank you for the insight bhante :anjali:
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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