Reading is very bad method of study. I often try to tell that how much important of reciting and memorizing tipitaka-pāli, but no one focus on it. So, useless question still going on from reading.
my english is terrible, so I will not quote the translation, because it is very hard for me to find the translated text ,or translate it to english. You must try to translate these pāli by yourselves.
I think according to
sutta MN 142 it can not be only one moment. It must be a longer period of time.
I used to think like zom, when I began to read thai translated tipitaka, about 15 years ago. However, for today, I can confirm that my old view is wrong and not complicated with the pāli. You can see follow this answer.
The truth is nothing in your quoted said
"it can not be only one moment". So, your idea is still not sure.
And my idea still be able, because,one can give a gift to enlightening lokuttara-monk, who meditating insight-meditation while he receiving one's gift. In that time, if that bhikkhu enlightening nibbāna as sotāpanna, and if then that sotāpanna go ahead to practice lokiya-magga for sakadāgāmi-ariya's enlightenment. So one giving that gift to:
1. kalyānaputhujana's lokiya-magga.
2. Sotāpatti-phala-sacchikiriyāya-puggala's lokuttara-sotāpatti-magga (this Sotāpatti-phala-sacchikiriya is called as puggala, because it is puggalādiṭṭhāna-desanā.)
3. lokuttara-sotāpatti-phala
4. Sotāpanna who doing sotāpanna's lokiya-magga.
That one giving that gift to 4 people, just in a second.
So, you and me, still no one wrong.
But I have sutta-pāli, abhidhamma-pāli, commentary-pāli in my hand. So, we can decide the truth from the evidence, and the reason.
I showed you an evidence, but you not trust in it, so I will show you the reason:
1st reason: sotāpanna-lokuttara-magga is not just like you said
"hearing about Dhamma for the first time and believing this is the right way without any doubt". So in alagaddūpama-sutta, buddha split them to two monk-type:
"In the Dhamma thus well-proclaimed by me — clear, open, evident, stripped of rags — those monks who are Dhamma-followers (dhammānusārī) and conviction-followers (saddhānusārī) [18] are all headed for self-awakening. This is how the Dhamma well-proclaimed by me is clear, open, evident, stripped of rags.
"In the Dhamma thus well-proclaimed by me — clear, open, evident, stripped of rags — those monks who have a [sufficient] measure of conviction in me, a [sufficient] measure of love for me, are all headed for heaven. This is how the Dhamma well-proclaimed by me is clear, open, evident, stripped of rags."
2nd reason: according to above quoted sutta, dhamma/saddhānusārī are not just a puthujāna who are not absolutely lead to self-awakening, because many sutta such as cakkhu-sutta (quoted below) said that
dhamma/saddhānusārī are sotāpanna.
perkele wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:09 am
Is dhammanusari/saddhanusari at
1. or at
2. in the list?
Every ariya must past those whole 3 steps, no exception.
This sutta show 2nd and 3rd step, of saddhānusārī-sotāpanna and dhammānusārī-sotāpanna:
4. Okkantasaṃyuttaṃ
1. Cakkhusuttaṃ
302. Sāvatthinidānaṃ . ‘‘Cakkhuṃ, bhikkhave, aniccaṃ vipariṇāmi aññathābhāvi; sotaṃ aniccaṃ vipariṇāmi aññathābhāvi; ghānaṃ aniccaṃ vipariṇāmi aññathābhāvi; jivhā aniccā vipariṇāmī aññathābhāvī ; kāyo anicco vipariṇāmī aññathābhāvī; mano anicco vipariṇāmī aññathābhāvī. Yo, bhikkhave, ime dhamme evaṃ saddahati adhimuccati – ayaṃ vuccati
saddhānusārī, okkanto sammattaniyāmaṃ, sappurisabhūmiṃ okkanto, vītivatto puthujjanabhūmiṃ; abhabbo taṃ kammaṃ kātuṃ, yaṃ kammaṃ katvā nirayaṃ vā tiracchānayoniṃ vā pettivisayaṃ vā upapajjeyya;
abhabbo ca [abhabbova (sī. syā. kaṃ.)] tāva kālaṃ kātuṃ yāva na sotāpattiphalaṃ sacchikaroti’’.
‘‘Yassa kho, bhikkhave, ime dhammā evaṃ paññāya mattaso nijjhānaṃ khamanti, ayaṃ vuccati – ‘
dhammānusārī, okkanto sammattaniyāmaṃ, sappurisabhūmiṃ okkanto, vītivatto puthujjanabhūmiṃ; abhabbo taṃ kammaṃ kātuṃ, yaṃ kammaṃ katvā nirayaṃ vā tiracchānayoniṃ vā pettivisayaṃ vā upapajjeyya; abhabbo ca tāva kālaṃ kātuṃ yāva na sotāpattiphalaṃ sacchikaroti’. Yo, bhikkhave, ime dhamme evaṃ pajānāti evaṃ passati, ayaṃ vuccati – ‘sotāpanno avinipātadhammo niyato sambodhiparāyano’’’ti. Paṭhamaṃ.
http://tipitaka.de/roman/tipitaka%20(mu ... uttam.html
Buddha said
"abhabbo ca tāva kālaṃ kātuṃ yāva na sotāpattiphalaṃ sacchikaroti’’, because sotāpatti-phalaṃ must immediately arise after sotāpatti-maggaṃ
in the same vīthī, without any other mind, such as dead-mind, between them. Afther this vīthī sotāpanna can die every moment.
So, buddha said "
samādhimānantarikaññamāhu (K.N. Karaṇīyamettāsutta)" and "
ānantariyaṃ (kamma that give the fruit immediately without any distance)" in this sutta:
Aṅguttara Nikāya 4
17. Paṭipadāvagga
162. Vitthārasutta
“Catasso imā, bhikkhave, paṭipadā. Katamā catasso? Dukkhā paṭipadā dandhābhiññā, dukkhā paṭipadā khippābhiññā, sukhā paṭipadā dandhābhiññā, sukhā paṭipadā khippābhiññā.
Katamā ca, bhikkhave, dukkhā paṭipadā dandhābhiññā? Idha, bhikkhave, ekacco pakatiyāpi tibbarāgajātiko hoti, abhikkhaṇaṃ rāgajaṃ dukkhaṃ domanassaṃ paṭisaṃvedeti. Pakatiyāpi tibbadosajātiko hoti, abhikkhaṇaṃ dosajaṃ dukkhaṃ domanassaṃ paṭisaṃvedeti. Pakatiyāpi tibbamohajātiko hoti, abhikkhaṇaṃ mohajaṃ dukkhaṃ domanassaṃ paṭisaṃvedeti. Tassimāni pañcindriyāni mudūni pātubhavanti— saddhindriyaṃ, vīriyindriyaṃ, satindriyaṃ, samādhindriyaṃ, paññindriyaṃ. So imesaṃ pañcannaṃ indriyānaṃ muduttā dandhaṃ
ānantariyaṃ pāpuṇāti āsavānaṃ khayāya. Ayaṃ vuccati, bhikkhave, dukkhā paṭipadā dandhābhiññā.
https://suttacentral.net/pi/an4.162
3rd reason: From people learned dhamma at 1st time,
they still kill the mosquito. So, your lokuttara-magga is not compatibility with cakkhu-sutta (quoted above) "
saddhānusārī, ...
abhabbo taṃ kammaṃ kātuṃ, yaṃ kammaṃ katvā
nirayaṃ vā tiracchānayoniṃ vā pettivisayaṃ vā upapajjeyya’". Also, there are many sutta said that sotāpanna will not try to kill any animal, too.
So, your lokuttara-magga actually is just lokiya-magga.
1. I learn about Dhamma for the first time. I have faith and I am convinced this is the right way. (only one moment)
2. I try to practice. (many many years)
3. Maybe some day I become sotapanna. (only one moment, maybe in the future)
4th reason: That mosquito killer not compatible with 5 pahāna in A.N. Pañcakanipāta, also: tadaṅga-pahāna=a few trillion-second killing (lokiya-magga) kilesa of insight-practitioner, vikkhambhana-pahāna=a long term killing (lokiya-magga) kilesa of jhāna-practitioner,
samuccheda-pahāna=perfectly completely killing (lokuttara-magga) kilesa of sotāpatti-magga, paṭipassaddhi-pahāna=after killed kilesa (phala) of sotāpatti-phala, nissaraṇa-pahāna=the opposit of kilesa (nibbāna).
The conclusion:
Just one case be possible is that you learn about Dhamma for the first time, and killed 1st-3rd of
10 saṅyojana, at the same moment, like aññākoñḍañña had done in dhammacakkappavattana-sutta.
Just this way you will not kill mosquito anymore.
For the moment question, the abhidhammatthasaṅgaha's 4th chapter link above, is already answered, please read inside first.