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Wholesome and Unwholesome Resultants

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:08 pm
by DCM
Hi, any help clearing this up would be appreciated. I get that these Cittas are Kammically indeterminate in themselves, and are the results produced by previous Kamma. So what exactly is Wholesome or Unwholesome about these Cittas?

I will make a guess that the Eye Consciousness of a Wholesome Resultant Citta could be seeing beautiful objects.

Wouldn't we experience an unpleasant feeling with an Unwholesome Resultant Citta? If not then what is Unwholesome about it? Some examples may help clear this up If possible. Thankyou.

Darren

Re: Wholesome and Unwholesome Resultants

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:44 pm
by SarathW
Some info is available in Page 40 - 43 in the following link.

https://download.pariyatti.org/free/_mo ... prehensive

Re: Wholesome and Unwholesome Resultants

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:29 pm
by DCM
Thankyou Sarah, this is what I am studying right now. Okay, so these Resultants Citta of previous Kamma arise when a disagreeable object comes into view, or the right conditions come about.

So what makes an object disagreeable, or where does this disagreeable object come from in the Kammic loop? Im new to then Abhiddama and I'm struggling to see what tie the object has to the Resultant Citta.

Re: Wholesome and Unwholesome Resultants

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:09 am
by theY
Abihdhamma is object of vipassanā. So if you want to understand abhidhamma, you must connect it to vipassana-object such as paṭiccasamuppāda (causes and effects).

Kamma is saṇkāra-paticcasamuppāda. Effect of kamma is (paṭisandhi) viññāṇa=born=Resultants Citta&Cetasika&Rūpa.

If you born in rūpabhramma-bhava, you are never taking any disagreeable object. But If you born in niraya, you are never taking any agreeable object. Kamma make destiny of born. Born make destiny of resultants-nāmarupa, resultants-6 āyatana, resultants-phassa, resultants-vedanā.

Born is a big chance. I was born in a buddhist country, so it is so easy for me to know about buddha's teaching.

My english is terrible.

Re: Wholesome and Unwholesome Resultants

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:13 pm
by Ripser
I would say that they are labeled "wholesome" or "unwholesome" to recognize whether they are the result of past wholesome or unwholesome actions (kamma).

But, as you say, in themselves they are indeterminate, as these cittas are disconnected from the roots (greed, hatred, delusion) that are the cause of the process of kammic fruition.