What is the name of that Process that believe it is SELF?

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Re: What is the name of that Process that believe it is SELF?

Post by Jones » Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:10 pm

According to the noble Pali Canon none of the aggregates are to be considered as "self" respectfully. The conciousness, and mental factors included. Just processes occurring. Does that not mean instead of trying to explain a "self", it is non-self instead? Is trying to explain a "self" not wrong view? Is Nibbana translated as a negative prefix Un-Binding? Can what is beyond the aggregates be found with the aggregates, or by seeing the aggregates, then letting them go? In the Vibhanga (The Book of Analysis) the supra-mundane is translated as Un-included, by Venerable U Thittila. Dissassociation condition. Letting go, relinquishment. Even the process of explaining wether there is a self or not a self is non-self, everything is non-self, not self, no self, no self to be seen, anywhere inside or outside of the five aggregates, the sense bases, dependant origination, and dependent cessation, conciousness cognizing, along with mental factors, matter and Nibbana is all non-self. Nowhere in the pali Canon has the Buddha said there is any stable enduring self, or the abhidhamma, which is said to be non-self. Although Bhante's post explains the best.

postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:59 am

"I think it is wrong view (diṭṭhi) that is the culprit rather than delusion (moho) because that is not destroyed until Arahantship is attained. "

"He develops the basis of psychic potency which consists of investigation, and volitional formations of striving".


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Re: What is the name of that Process that believe it is SELF?

Post by The Thinker » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:29 am

Wondered if you could help with a definition of the word "Bhavanga" and location within the suttas?
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Re: What is the name of that Process that believe it is SELF?

Post by dhamma follower » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:09 am

The Thinker wrote:Wondered if you could help with a definition of the word "Bhavanga" and location within the suttas?
Hi The Thinker,

"Bhavanga" means life-continuum. It is the consciousness that arises at the moment of rebirth, then throughout life in between the processes of cognition through the six sense doors. An example of the bhavanga is the state of being fast asleep. At those moments, there's no experiences through the six sense doors, even thinking. But the so called person is not dead during that time, only no experiencing of the world. It doesn't mean that there's no consciousness anymore. The consciousness then has a special object, which is not the object of this world, but the object of the last mind door process of his/her previous life, that's why nothing is known about it.

Even when we are not fast asleep, but during waking states, there are countless bhavangas that arise and fall away between the processes of hearing and seeing and so on, but since their life-span is unimaginable short, we don't realize them.

I am not sure this term is found in the sutta, others might tell you more about that, but you might consider that it is the term that is given to a state that occurs so commonly in our daily life, and a state that is not easily object of sati-sampajana of ordinary people. However, knowing about it gives us a more complete picture of the anattaness of what we call life, and lives.

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Re: What is the name of that Process that believe it is SELF?

Post by The Thinker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:49 pm

Thank you dhamma follower for your translation.
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Re: What is the name of that Process that believe it is SELF?

Post by justindesilva » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:34 pm

The process of vingnana is like a flame. It keeps burning. But the flame looks unchanged in appearance,though the flame keeps changing each micro second. Similarly our own vingana keeps changing while projecting our rupa kaya. Hence there is no permanent vingnana or self. Wrong view of this concept I'd sankara ditthi that leads to an ego or a self. Thid process which is explained through a flame explains "Anatta"

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