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What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:42 am
by SarathW
Can someone explain the meaning of the following:

“Radiant is this consciousness,” (pabhassaram idam cittam) says the Buddha in
the Anguttara Nikāya vol. 1, p. 10. According to the commentator the Buddha
was thus referring to the rebirth-consciousness

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I found further information please refer to page 329 of the link below. It does not make any sense to me:

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... gsurw6.pdf


This rebirth-consciousness is regarded as pure as it is either devoid of immoral roots of lust, hatred, and delusion accompanied by moral roots.


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Further information :
consciousness is regarded as “radiant”
(pabhassara) as it is either devoid of immoral
roots of lust, hatred and delusion (as in the case of
‘rootless resultants—ahetukavipàka), or accompanied
by moral roots (as in the case of ‘resultants with roots’).

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Please also see page 315 and 316 for death and rebirth thought moments.

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:34 am
by mikenz66
Here are some previous discussions:

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7878" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12817" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=7584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:anjali:
Mike

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:55 am
by SarathW
Hi Mike
Thanks. The links were very helpful.

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:15 am
by SarathW
Interesting article re this subject:



We may now consider another situation. When a child is born, s/he has no ‘world’, but for the parents, there is an arrival of a newborn baby to their world. Up to about three months, the infant may not be able to identify an object with the use of five sense organs and the mind. Although the infant possesses the five very important abilities (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and feeling born of body contact), the infant lacks the skill or the knowledge for classification or identification of individual objects or beings with the use of those abilities. The infant’s mind was described by the Buddha as "Pabhassara midam Bhikkave Chittam, Agantukehi sankilitthena Sankilittham" - 'Pure indeed is the original mind. It is contaminated by the external contaminant'’. The external contaminants reach the mind through the senses. The processing and storing of information received through the contacts made by the senses with the external world lead to the contamination of the pure mind.




http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... 25,0,0,1,0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:35 pm
by SarathW
Thanks to Bhikkhu Gavesako, I found some useful information in this subject in another link. Understanding this subject is a must for an statute meditater.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:meditate:

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:46 pm
by mikenz66
Members, please note the special guidelines for the Abhidhamma Forum, and the Classical Forums in general:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=374" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Posts not complying with these guidelines will be removed.

:anjali:
Mike

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:20 pm
by Gena1480
what is the purpose of your question?

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:10 am
by SarathW
Hi Mike.
Sorry, I think my question is related to Abhidhamma.
:)
Hi Gena.
I was looking for an answer (further explanation) to this question for a long time. Now I found the answer so I thought I will share it with the forum members for their benefit. :)

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:24 am
by Gena1480
so what have you found?

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:04 am
by SarathW
Samatha meditation or first stages of Vipassana meditation bring your mind to the radiant consciousness level (attachment and aversion is suppressed but ignorance not yet eradicated) from that you develop last stages ofVipassana meditation and realise Nirvana. :D

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:46 am
by mikenz66
SarathW wrote:Hi Mike.
Sorry, I think my question is related to Abhidhamma.
Yes, but I removed some answers that were not.

:anjali:
Mike

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:04 am
by SarathW
Another great article re. this subject by Ven. Thanissaro:
:)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ature.html

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:32 am
by SarathW
Ven. Thanissaro says:

"For a person practicing form jhāna in either sense of the term, the equanimity experienced with the sense of beautiful radiance can then act as the basis for the formless levels of jhāna, which the Canon terms the four "formlessnesses beyond form." These are invariably defined as progressive absorption in the perceptions of "infinite space," "infinite consciousness," and "there is nothing," leading to a fourth state of neither perception nor non-perception."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... part3.html
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Is he talking about Radiant Consciousness?

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:53 am
by nyanasuci
SarathW wrote:Can someone explain the meaning of the following:

“Radiant is this consciousness,” (pabhassaram idam cittam) says the Buddha in
the Anguttara Nikāya vol. 1, p. 10.
I suggest you also look into Ven. Nanamoli's article 'The Infinity of The Mind':
http://pathpress.wordpress.com/2013/03/ ... n-an-1-51/

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:41 pm
by SarathW
Thanks for the link.
Infinitude space etc are fabricated. I am not sure whether they can be regarded as radiant consciousness. This matter is well explained by Ven. Thanissaro.
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§ 182. [On attaining the fourth level of jhāna] there remains only equanimity: pure & bright, pliant, malleable & luminous. Just as if a skilled goldsmith or goldsmith's apprentice were to prepare a furnace, heat up a crucible, and, taking gold with a pair of tongs, place it in the crucible. He would blow on it periodically, sprinkle water on it periodically, examine it periodically, so that the gold would become refined, well-refined, thoroughly refined, flawless, free from dross, pliant, malleable & luminous. Then whatever sort of ornament he had in mind — whether a belt, an earring, a necklace, or a gold chain — it would serve his purpose. In the same way, there remains only equanimity: pure & bright, pliant, malleable, & luminous. He (the meditator) discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this toward the dimension of the infinitude of space, I would develop the mind along those lines, and thus this equanimity of mine — thus supported, thus sustained — would last for a long time. [Similarly with the dimensions of the infinitude of consciousness, nothingness, & neither perception nor non-perception.]'

He discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this toward the dimension of the infinitude of space and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated. [Similarly with the dimensions of the infinitude of consciousness, nothingness, & neither perception nor non-perception.]' He neither fabricates nor wills for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, he is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, he is not agitated. Unagitated, he is totally unbound right within. He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'
— MN 140
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... part3.html

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:53 am
by nyanasuci
I think that you misunderstood the Sutta you are quoting:
SarathW wrote:'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this toward the dimension of the infinitude of space and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated.
It is the directing of the equanimity, the establishing of it, pure and bright, that it is 'fabricated', not the dimension of the infinite space.

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:06 am
by SarathW
Thank you Bhante for the clarification. :)

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:42 pm
by SarathW
Another good discussion about this topic:

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=22134

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:22 am
by SarathW
Is luminous mind a developed mind or its luminosity be a prerequisite for developing the mind?
:thinking:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: What does it mean by radiant consciousness?

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:00 pm
by NotMe
SarathW wrote:Is luminous mind a developed mind or its luminosity be a prerequisite for developing the mind?
:thinking:
There you go thinking again, Sarath. tsk tsk ...

It is the worldly mind - period. And yes, the mind is a prerequisite for developing it and it, the mind, is developed. Make sense?

The mind before luminosity is the mind unadulterated with the knowledge of the concepts: good and evil. Once good and evil were instilled in the mind - "The Shining" began. Our ignorance is the radiance of that perpetual motion machine - knowing - simply knowing. Knowing what? Its object: good and evil - basically the same coin, having two sides. Live in the edge of the coin - see both sides. Abandon the coin and its edge.

metta