What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

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What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by Jhana4 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:16 am

I grew up with the same misconceptions as most Americans of Buddhism being very close to a rational philosophy rather than a religion and the Buddha as being privy to all knowledge....especially, somehow, having an intuitive grasp of modern science. Having read many suttas I see that both those things are far from the truth. Yet, I am still kind of taken aback by all of the questions as to what Buddhism has to say about modern conditions and bodies of knowledge that simply didn't exist 2600 years ago for the *man* call The Buddha to have an opinion.

So, what did the Buddha have to say choosing a Mac over a PC? :)
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by DNS » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:34 am

Jhana4 wrote:I grew up with the same misconceptions as most Americans of Buddhism being very close to a rational philosophy rather than a religion
Why does it have to be one or the other? It can be a rational philosophy and a religion. I wouldn't follow it if I thought it was an irrational philosophy.
So, what did the Buddha have to say choosing a Mac over a PC? :)
Mac.

Steve Jobs is a Buddhist.

(just kidding; Jobs is a Buddhist but I have no idea which one the Buddha would pick.)

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by morning mist » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:40 am

Definitely get a MAC or an iPad .

By the way, which of the Buddha's teaching do you believe is wrong , rebirth or kamma ?

Also , in one life he was a deva born in a deva plane and therefore a deva, in another life he was born in a human plane and therefore a human. So how do you decide if he is a man or a deva. Besides, after awakening one doesn't identify with any of these temporary identities as self. For example . being some one in such and such plane ( human or deva ).
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by Digity » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:55 am

The Buddha's teachings are just as relevant today as they were 2600 years ago. The teachings are timeless.

If you asked the Buddha about purchasing a Mac or a PC he'd probably wonder what your intentions were in purchasing such a product. If your intentions for buying the Mac was to have the latest and greatest gadget and to keep consuming as many new things as possible he would likely question that as being unwise. However, if your intention was to use the product to expand your knowledge, study the Dharma, use it to finish your work more successfully, etc, etc. he'd probably suggest it was wise.

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by Ben » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:15 am

I think, J4, the Buddha was too busy dealing with Devadatta and his followers who wanted to turn the sangha into vegetarians to give the question you posed the attention that it so richly deserves. Not even Ananda was willing to interrupt the Buddha to pose the question on our behalf - so many centuries later aching for that knowledge in the beginning of the second sasana. We'll never know whether the Buddha prefered a Mac to a PC - just like we'll never know whether he would prefer corn flakes to coco-pops, or coke to pepsi (or for that matter one of the lite or diet varieties of such non-alcoholic beverages), or whether the Buddha preferred to drink his morning coffee from a porcelain cup than a styrofoam mug.
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by plwk » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:26 am

"There are these five unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them. Which five?

"The Buddha-range of the Buddhas is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.

"The jhana-range of a person in jhana...

"The [precise working out of the] results of kamma...

"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.

The Mac vs The PC...

"These are the five unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them."

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by morning mist » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:36 am

plwk wrote:"There are these five unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them. Which five?

........

The Mac vs The PC...

"These are the five unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them."

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by ground » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:53 am

Jhana4 wrote:I grew up with the same misconceptions as most Americans of Buddhism being very close to a rational philosophy rather than a religion and the Buddha as being privy to all knowledge....especially, somehow, having an intuitive grasp of modern science. Having read many suttas I see that both those things are far from the truth. Yet, I am still kind of taken aback by all of the questions as to what Buddhism has to say about modern conditions and bodies of knowledge that simply didn't exist 2600 years ago for the *man* call The Buddha to have an opinion.

So, what did the Buddha have to say choosing a Mac over a PC? :)
So you do not know what to purchase and your are seeking advice from the Buddha? Or what is your intention?


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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:59 am

Neither.

Thus have I heard...

Amstrad CPC
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Retro. :)
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by mikenz66 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:01 am

Clearly neither. The Buddha advocated open source software... :coffee:
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:06 am

Greetings Mike,

I guess that would be a vote slightly in the PC favour then given the stringent controls Apple places on the use of non-Apple software and hardware.

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by Kim OHara » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:08 am

Windows has inspired some very Zen-like poetry - http://soler7.com/IFAQ/WindowsErrorHaiku.html (origins discussed here http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/haiku.asp); and Macs give their users almost no practice in dealing with anger :computerproblem:

I think the Buddha would have recommended Windows and used a Mac :tongue:

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P.S. :bow: to Mike, who was just a bit quicker to hit 'submit' than I was. :bow:

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by mikenz66 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:16 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Mike,

I guess that would be a vote slightly in the PC favour then given the stringent controls Apple places on the use of non-Apple software and hardware.

Metta,
Retro. :)
I haven't seen Bill Gates giving away source code lately... :spy:
But of course, an Intel-based PC doesn't have to run Windows... Actually that includes modern Macs... :thinking:

Speaking of Bill Gates, there is this: http://www.bbspot.com/news/2001/06/gates.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:33 am

Greetings Mike,

Well actually I was taking more of a Mac vs PC view, than the traditional Apple vs Microsoft battle.

PCs can seemingly be made by anyone, as IBM didn't have Apple's scroogish foresight to tightly control the patents.

Metta,
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by chownah » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:14 am

I want to know if it would be PC for the Buddha to eat a big MAC.
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by daverupa » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:10 pm

Linuxyana is the only authentic practice.
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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by Jhana4 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:55 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
Jhana4 wrote:I grew up with the same misconceptions as most Americans of Buddhism being very close to a rational philosophy rather than a religion
Why does it have to be one or the other? It can be a rational philosophy and a religion. I wouldn't follow it if I thought it was an irrational philosophy.
David, I'm using the words "philosophy" and "religion" by the formal meanings where I think they do contradict. The religious concerns may be argued to be "rational" if the superstitions of that religion are assumed to be true. However, that is not the point I was making, which is that many have the mistaken impression that the Buddha knew and lectured at length about all sorts of scientific/logic/rational pursuits that he didn't even touch on in the Nikayas........and many he flat out refused to talk about.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by Jhana4 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:58 pm

morning mist wrote:Definitely get a MAC or an iPad .
Given that he chose to speak in the "language of the people" Pali, I would say if he were alive today he would shy away from heavily proprietary technology and gravitate toward open source software ( linux, png, etc )
Also , in one life he was a deva born in a deva plane and therefore a deva
There are no such things as devas or deva planes.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by Jhana4 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:59 pm

I just wanted to say that I am really enjoying the humor in this thread.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: What did the Buddha have to say about The Mac vs The PC?

Post by morning mist » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:33 pm

Jhana4 wrote: There are no such things as devas or deva planes.
Do we have any evidence for that or is it impossible to prove ?
Jhana4 wrote: I would say if he were alive today he would shy away from heavily proprietary technology and gravitate toward open source software ( linux, png, etc )
I can't say I know what the Buddha would choose, but whatever you find works for you.
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