the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Robinio » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:12 pm

Hey,

I found this forum while looking into vegetarian protein requirements. It seems that the matter has moved on from calculating daily protein requirements, but I thought I would at least post this calculator, as seems to be more accurate than the ones which have been posted on this forum, in case anyone needs it.

https://www.fitness-savvy.co.uk/protein ... in-advice/

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Post by rightviewftw » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:01 pm

He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Sam Vara » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:45 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:01 pm
An interesting read What If You Ate Only One Type of Food?
Many thanks - that is informative. I sometimes think about the types of food required if I had to massively simplify my diet. What if I had to choose only, say, ten foodstuffs to eat from here on?

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by seeker242 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:22 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:45 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:01 pm
An interesting read What If You Ate Only One Type of Food?
Many thanks - that is informative. I sometimes think about the types of food required if I had to massively simplify my diet. What if I had to choose only, say, ten foodstuffs to eat from here on?
It's informative but also contains some inaccurate information. Specifically the part about protein where it says "No single vegetable or legume has all nine essential amino acids". That's simply wrong. The reason why Quinoa, Buckwheat and Soy are called "complete protein" is precisely because they do have all 9 amino acids in sufficient quantities. Many other plant foods have all 9 as well. Potatoes for example, also has all 9 essential amino acids. It just has low levels of leucine so it is not considered "complete". However, if you were to eat 2,000 calories of potatoes and nothing but potatoes, you would be eating so much potatoes that you would still get enough of all 9 amino acids.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by rightviewftw » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:52 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:45 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:01 pm
An interesting read What If You Ate Only One Type of Food?
Many thanks - that is informative. I sometimes think about the types of food required if I had to massively simplify my diet. What if I had to choose only, say, ten foodstuffs to eat from here on?
Perhaps split the thread if people are interested.

I would like to explore this and i have adjusted my diet to at least include some vitamin C. I have been avoiding eating meat because it takes long time to digest and i imagine it takes quite a lot of energy to produce the acid and therefore i assume it is not very efficient, there is a difference in meat tho and i eat some tuna (skipjack) and it seems ok altough it is the food i can "feel" the most after having eaten it so i will look for alternatives. If i bothered to cook id eat potatoes etc but i like to just mix everything in a bowl, pour on some olive oil and eating, peeling a banana and opening cans is enough cooking for me:P
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if someone bothers to check the accuracy of the data go ahead, i take it as an aproximation based on incomplete data so fwiw
He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Sam Vara » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:20 am

seeker242 wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:22 am


It's informative but also contains some inaccurate information. Specifically the part about protein where it says "No single vegetable or legume has all nine essential amino acids". That's simply wrong. The reason why Quinoa, Buckwheat and Soy are called "complete protein" is precisely because they do have all 9 amino acids in sufficient quantities. Many other plant foods have all 9 as well. Potatoes for example, also has all 9 essential amino acids. It just has low levels of leucine so it is not considered "complete". However, if you were to eat 2,000 calories of potatoes and nothing but potatoes, you would be eating so much potatoes that you would still get enough of all 9 amino acids.
Thanks. One thing I have noticed over nearly fifty years of vegetarianism and nearly forty years of veganism is that the "official" view of this has changed. There used to be no "complete" veg. proteins, but now apparently there are!

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:38 am

hi, i was wondering if anyone could let me know where this portion comes from. i assume its not a fake text but it is either not sourced or confusingly sourced http://learning.pariyatti.org/mod/page/view.php?id=755
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by chownah » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:55 am

In the wild the infant mortality for large mammals (zebra, giraffe, etc.) is over 50 percent.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Sam Vara » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:46 pm

chownah wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:55 am
In the wild the infant mortality for large mammals (zebra, giraffe, etc.) is over 50 percent.
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Clear evidence that veganism is bad for you. :tongue:

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by chownah » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:23 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:46 pm
chownah wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:55 am
In the wild the infant mortality for large mammals (zebra, giraffe, etc.) is over 50 percent.
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Clear evidence that veganism is bad for you. :tongue:
I hadn't thought of that but thanks for pointing it out.
Lions are not vegan:

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by one_awakening » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:37 am

jcsuperstar wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:08 am

.. and my GF is sorta veg, she eats seafood....
If she eats seafood, she's not a vegetarian
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by chownah » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:20 pm

one_awakening wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:37 am
jcsuperstar wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:08 am

.. and my GF is sorta veg, she eats seafood....
If she eats seafood, she's not a vegetarian
Maybe as to seafood she just eats sea vegetables.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by DNS » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:30 pm

one_awakening wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:37 am
jcsuperstar wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:08 am

.. and my GF is sorta veg, she eats seafood....
If she eats seafood, she's not a vegetarian
He said "sorta" veg, not completely veg. Anyway, just an FYI, jcsuperstar unfortunately passed away 8 years ago. :candle:

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by DNS » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:44 pm

chownah wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:55 am
In the wild the infant mortality for large mammals (zebra, giraffe, etc.) is over 50 percent.
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What does that have to do with their diet? I imagine all wild animals have a high infant mortality rate. Apparently the mortality rate has more to do with infections after childbirth, see:

https://www.quora.com/Nature-Are-animal ... n-medicine

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by chownah » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:28 pm

I have no idea what diet has to do with the infant mortality rate of wild animals.

Does anyone know the infant mortality rate for angus cows?
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