OK. Try this one, instead:Cittasanto wrote:Hi Ron,Ron-The-Elder wrote: I Guess how precepts are worded depends upon which school of monks/tradition we each follow: Following are the precepts as written and found in "What The Blessed Buddha Actually Said in Plain English, Bhikkhu Samahita et al:
Bhikkhu Samahita is of The Theravadin Forest MInistry, Sri LankaI hereby accept the training rule of avoiding all Killing.
I hereby accept the training rule of avoiding all Stealing.
I hereby accept the training rule of avoiding all Sexual Abuse.
I hereby accept the training rule of avoiding all Dishonesty.
I hereby accept the training rule of avoiding all Alcohol & Drugs.
Then one keeps and protects these sacred vows better than one's own
eyes & children, since they protects you & all other beings much better
than any army! They are the highest offer one can give in & to this world!
This is the very start on the path towards Nibbāna -the Deathless Element-
This is the Noble Way to Peace, to Freedom, to Bliss, initiated by Morality,
developed further by Dhamma-Study and fulfilled by training Meditation...
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Cittasanto: I do not see what you are getting at here?
although the pali words are quite clear as to their meaning!
Pāṇātipātā
Pāṇā - life; breath; a living being.
Atipātā - slayer; destroyer.
although if you are referring to my use of "removal of the life faculty" I was not directly quoting the precept, rather the description of what death is as found in the texts such as the Mahasatipatthana sutta DN22 amongst others.Katamañ-ca, bhikkhave, maraṇaṃ?
Mendicants, what is death?
Yaṃ tesaṃ tesaṃ sattānaṃ tamhā tamhā sattanikāyā
For the numerous types of living beings in the many groupings of beings
cuti, cavanatā, bhedo, antaradhānaṃ, maccu, maraṇaṃ, kālakiriyā;
there is a fall, a falling away, a breaking up, a disappearance, a dying, a death, a making of time;
khandhānaṃ bhedo, kaḷebarassa nikkhepo;
the break up of the constituent groups (of mind and body), the throwing off of the body;
jīvitindriyassupacchedo:
the cutting off of the life faculty:
and "life faculty" is used in explaining what the "depriving of life" is within the Third Parajikas vibhanga in the word analysis (which is a direct corresponding rule as is pācittiyā 61 where it is also found).
The Buddha on Goodwill:
As I am, so are others...
As others are, so am I...
Having thus identified self and others,
Never Harm anyone, nor have any abused.
Sutta Nipata 3.710