the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by greenjuice » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:13 pm

Afaik, it is the unsaturated (plant) fats that body uses to rebuild cell membranes, whereas saturated fats are used for energy (or stored for such later use if there are enough carbs ingested).

Also, "essential" means precisely that- the body can'make it so it an essential part of diet, goes for both fatty and amino acids.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by nekete » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:11 am

Anyone wanting to go on vegetarianism should read a little about the amount of calories he/she needs and how to divide it into carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins and minerals.

Be a vegetarian is not only to stop eating meat. You have to balance your diet without that meal/fish.

There are a lot of people who do a lot of sport, sport of competition like athleticism, like body building, like marathons and they are vegetarian and even vegan. All of this is very easy to find in a simple search on Internet.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Alex123 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:53 am

What I'd like to say is to do what works for you. If vegetarianism does, then follow it. However, I don't think that it is right to force it on everywhere.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by binocular » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:18 pm

Alex123 wrote:What I'd like to say is to do what works for you. If vegetarianism does, then follow it. However, I don't think that it is right to force it on everywhere.
Who is forcing it?
And why should that person be obeyed?

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by lyndon taylor » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:32 pm

I think its just Alex's conscience talking!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by clw_uk » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:08 am

The Buddha ate meat

Life feeds of life

Buddha didn't enforce vegetarianism

Puzzle solved :woohoo:
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Post by lyndon taylor » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:20 am

clw_uk wrote:The Buddha ate meat

Life feeds of life

Buddha didn't enforce vegetarianism

Puzzle solved :woohoo:
Seemingly true, but at the same time the Buddha made strict rules that made it much harder to eat meat and eat a lot of meat, so obviously the buddha was absolutely not encouraging meat eating, otherwise he would have made no rules at all, since he made it much harder to acquire and eat as much meat, one has to assume that the buddha obviously believed it was better to eat less or no meat, for instance I can't possibly imagine the buddha complaining he wasn't getting enough meat, given that 95% of the buddha's recorded meal were evidently vegetarian, would that pro meat eating crowd could be so enlightened.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by lyndon taylor » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:21 am

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18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by clw_uk » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:22 am

Seemingly true, but at the same time the Buddha made strict rules that made it much harder to eat meat and eat a lot of meat, so obviously the buddha was absolutely not encouraging meat eating, otherwise he would have made no rules at all, since he made it much harder to acquire and eat as much meat, one has to assume that the buddha obviously believed it was better to eat less or no meat, for instance I can't possibly imagine the buddha complaining he wasn't getting enough meat, would that pro meat eating crowd could be so enlightened.

Of course, the point is not killing and also not holding a deluded view that abstention from meat leads to nibbana
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Dinsdale » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:23 am

clw_uk wrote: ....not holding a deluded view that abstention from meat leads to nibbana
:strawman:
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by clw_uk » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:33 am

Spiny Norman wrote:
clw_uk wrote: ....not holding a deluded view that abstention from meat leads to nibbana
:strawman:

Hardly
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Dinsdale » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:34 am

clw_uk wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:
clw_uk wrote: ....not holding a deluded view that abstention from meat leads to nibbana
:strawman:

Hardly
I can't recall anyone arguing that abstention from meat leads to nibbana.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by clw_uk » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:46 am


I can't recall anyone arguing that abstention from meat leads to nibbana.
It's implied by some posts
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by nekete » Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:17 pm

clw_uk wrote:
Seemingly true, but at the same time the Buddha made strict rules that made it much harder to eat meat and eat a lot of meat, so obviously the buddha was absolutely not encouraging meat eating, otherwise he would have made no rules at all, since he made it much harder to acquire and eat as much meat, one has to assume that the buddha obviously believed it was better to eat less or no meat, for instance I can't possibly imagine the buddha complaining he wasn't getting enough meat, would that pro meat eating crowd could be so enlightened.

Of course, the point is not killing and also not holding a deluded view that abstention from meat leads to nibbana
wow, really? is it true? the point is not killing? So the animals who are on the dishes are served alive?

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Post by Dinsdale » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:45 pm

clw_uk wrote:

I can't recall anyone arguing that abstention from meat leads to nibbana.
It's implied by some posts
It's hard to say what's implied. How about focussing on Theravada teachings and practices which seem to be relevant to the issue? For example the first precept, modern application of the 3-fold rule, butchery as wrong livelihood, developing metta for all beings, etc.
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