mahat wrote: seeker242 wrote:
mahat wrote:Again, there are those who follow the cult of vegetarianism/veganism and there are those who follow Buddhism. Lord Buddha clearly saw that our bodies would not thrive on a plant based diet since our digestive system is poor we needed to allow vegetarian animals to digest the food and started raising animals for food---and true to his word all the great civilizations were built by nonVegetarians and nonVegetarians such as the Japanese and Swiss are the longest living people on earth:
Our lord and true refuge would never, under any circumstances, approve of what goes on at a factory farm. If you want to know about people who live the longest, National Geographic "Blue Zones" studies identify the pockets of people around the world who live the longest. They found nine things in common for the longest living people on the planet. One of them is their diet, which is described as "mostly plant origin". I'm sorry friend but you have been given bad information.
This is incorrect. "Mostly" plant based is not plant based and the longest lived people in civilization are nonVegetarians. They are tough enough to create civilizations which allow humans to progress.
You can go live in the jungle where there is no stress, I am sure there are ascetics who live even longer"feeding on priti like the Abhassara Devas", but all of us are not there yet. There are enough humans suffering -- when humans suffer, animals suffer for the most part, laws are there against abusing animals and those should be enforced if there are any companies mistreating animals.
There are farmers killing millions of animals farming-- has that stopped you from eating your vegetables and grains? Abuse of plants made plants gain self defense mechanism where we can no longer fullY digest plant matter. Lord Buddha describes this in The Aganna Sutta. Our lust and greed are the problem, until then our body requires meat in it's current state and Buddhism is about "seeing things as they are"
A responsible and real Buddhist ensures the general population eats a BALANCED diet and eats mindfully -- including fish and meat and not live on vitamins--specially children. I will NEVER make children feel guilty about eating fish or meat! Shame on any Buddhist who does!
about "seeing things as they are". And when one sees such tremendous suffering taking place, it's not appropriate to just ignore it and continue on as usual. Does the Lord Buddha approve of what goes on at a factory farm?
laws are there against abusing animals and those should be enforced if there are any companies mistreating animals.
I don't know about your country, but in the US, farm animals under the law, are specifically exempt from many animal cruelty laws.
According to the US ASPCA
The U.S. has no federal laws protecting farm animals while they’re actually on the farms where they are raised. Two federal laws cover farm animals during transport and slaughter, but tragically, all poultry species are excluded, making these protections inapplicable to 95% of land animals killed for food.
Transport: The 28-Hour Law requires that animals transported across state lines for slaughter, by means other than water or air, be unloaded every 28 hours for rest, food and water. In addition to excluding poultry, this law is riddled with loopholes.
Slaughter: The Humane Methods of Livestock Slaughter Act (HMLSA) requires that livestock be quickly rendered insensible to pain before being slaughtered. In addition to excluding poultry, the law exempts certain forms of religious slaughter such as Kosher and Halal.
Because federal law fails to protect most farm animals, state laws are these animals’ last defense.
The majority of U.S. states expressly exempt farm animals, or certain farming practices, from their anti-cruelty provisions, making it nearly impossible to provide even meager protections. Exemptions usually include common agricultural practices that, while common, are often shockingly cruel.
The US laws protecting animals from cruelty generally do not apply to animals raised for food. They apply to cats and dogs, but not to feeder pigs.
As far as a balanced diet goes. It's best to ask the professional scientists about that. They say:
"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes."
The American Dietetic Association, now called the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, is the single largest organization of food and nutrition specialists in the world. The idea that vegetarianism is unhealthy, is just a result of not understanding the science.
But, I don't know why I'm telling you all this, you won't listen to me anyway!