You are asking about animal husbandry. Go read up on animal husbandry and it will teach you how fast animals can be raised. It is off topic here in this thread. Maybe you should post in the great vegetarian debate thread....or start a topic to ask this question....but....really.....just go read about animal husbandry and it will tell you.
By battery farming.I'm just wondering, does anyone know how the meat industry can increase (rapidly) the number of livestock?
SarathW wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:23 amBy battery farming.I'm just wondering, does anyone know how the meat industry can increase (rapidly) the number of livestock?
https://www.alv.org.au/justice/
Good question.So how can a vegetarian really make a difference?
By increasing the number of vegetarians.
Problem is not that simple.Say, 3 billion vegetarians surely would make a difference.
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If anyone here is a vegetarian, what is your reason to maintain your vegetarian diet after reading this article?To produce protein from grazing beef, cattle are killed. One death delivers (on average, across Australia’s grazing lands) a carcass of about 288 kilograms. This is approximately 68% boneless meat which, at 23% protein equals 45kg of protein per animal killed. This means 2.2 animals killed for each 100kg of useable animal protein produced.
Producing protein from wheat means ploughing pasture land and planting it with seed. Anyone who has sat on a ploughing tractor knows the predatory birds that follow you all day are not there because they have nothing better to do. Ploughing and harvesting kill small mammals, snakes, lizards and other animals in vast numbers. In addition, millions of mice are poisoned in grain storage facilities every year.
However, the largest and best-researched loss of sentient life is the poisoning of mice during plagues.
Each area of grain production in Australia has a mouse plague on average every four years, with 500-1000 mice per hectare. Poisoning kills at least 80% of the mice.
At least 100 mice are killed per hectare per year (500/4 × 0.8) to grow grain. Average yields are about 1.4 tonnes of wheat/hectare; 13% of the wheat is useable protein. Therefore, at least 55 sentient animals die to produce 100kg of useable plant protein: 25 times more than for the same amount of rangelands beef.
Some of this grain is used to “finish” beef cattle in feed lots (some is food for dairy cattle, pigs and poultry), but it is still the case that many more sentient lives are sacrificed to produce useable protein from grains than from rangelands cattle.
https://theconversation.com/ordering-th ... hands-4659
The massive hole in your neat little argument is that cows eat vegetarian food too, 8-10lbs of grain to produce 1lb of meat, so if you feed the people the grain direct you could feed 8-10 people on the food it takes to feed one person with beef, So basically your argument about animals being killed farming grain, you're killing 8-10 times as many animals and the cow as well when you eat meat instead of being vegetarian.D1W1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:48 amIf anyone here is a vegetarian, what is your reason to maintain your vegetarian diet after reading this article?To produce protein from grazing beef, cattle are killed. One death delivers (on average, across Australia’s grazing lands) a carcass of about 288 kilograms. This is approximately 68% boneless meat which, at 23% protein equals 45kg of protein per animal killed. This means 2.2 animals killed for each 100kg of useable animal protein produced.
Producing protein from wheat means ploughing pasture land and planting it with seed. Anyone who has sat on a ploughing tractor knows the predatory birds that follow you all day are not there because they have nothing better to do. Ploughing and harvesting kill small mammals, snakes, lizards and other animals in vast numbers. In addition, millions of mice are poisoned in grain storage facilities every year.
However, the largest and best-researched loss of sentient life is the poisoning of mice during plagues.
Each area of grain production in Australia has a mouse plague on average every four years, with 500-1000 mice per hectare. Poisoning kills at least 80% of the mice.
At least 100 mice are killed per hectare per year (500/4 × 0.8) to grow grain. Average yields are about 1.4 tonnes of wheat/hectare; 13% of the wheat is useable protein. Therefore, at least 55 sentient animals die to produce 100kg of useable plant protein: 25 times more than for the same amount of rangelands beef.
Some of this grain is used to “finish” beef cattle in feed lots (some is food for dairy cattle, pigs and poultry), but it is still the case that many more sentient lives are sacrificed to produce useable protein from grains than from rangelands cattle.
https://theconversation.com/ordering-th ... hands-4659
I don't live in Australia.
I simply don't like the smell and taste of meat, never have.
Well, apparently, the actual problem is that people want to enjoy numerous luxuries and don't care how much suffering of other beings procuring those luxuries entails.SarathW wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:01 amProblem is not that simple.Say, 3 billion vegetarians surely would make a difference.
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Animal skin fetches more money than the meat content.
Animals are raised not only for meat consumption.
It does not mean we should not be vegetarians.
I consume meat but I enjoy vegetables more than the meat.
I'm wondering does this mean some exercises/sports are not compatible with Buddhist practice? For example, if you do gym, you need a certain amount of protein intake, I think more or less that is not eating in moderation. Can you practice Buddhism and live your lay life happily at the same time? Thank you in advance.People who criticize Buddhists who eat meat do not understand the Buddhist attitude towards food. A living being needs nourishment. We eat to live. As such a human being should supply his body with the food it needs to keep him healthy and to give him energy to work. However, as a result of increasing wealth, more and more people, especially in developed countries, eat simply to satisfy their palates. If one craves after any kind of food, or kills to satisfy his greed for meat, this is wrong. But if one eats without greed and without directly being involved in the act of killing but merely to sustain the physical body, he is practising self restraint.
https://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebdha189.htm
Unless you are a world class athlete, you don't need that much more food, even if you do vigorous exercise. You might need to increase your food amount just a little, which is fine, imo.D1W1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:43 am I'm wondering does this mean some exercises/sports are not compatible with Buddhist practice? For example, if you do gym, you need a certain amount of protein intake, I think more or less that is not eating in moderation. Can you practice Buddhism and live your lay life happily at the same time? Thank you in advance.
